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Was Tony Dungy an elite head coach

Tony Dungy an elite HC  

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  1. 1. Was Tony Dungy an elite HC

    • Yes, there's a reason he made it to HOF as HC
    • Only on the Bucs, average on the Colts
    • No, he was always overrated

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13 hours ago, MKnight82 said:

Gibbs won 3 SBs with 3 different QBs.

None of them were that good either. 

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On 5/16/2019 at 8:41 PM, Malik said:

None of them were that good either. 

Especially Rypien. Theismann was the best of the three, but I wouldn't have him in any HOVG discussion let alone HOF.

Edited by 7DnBrnc53

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On 5/13/2019 at 3:17 PM, CP3MVP said:

Tony Dungy’s defense in the postseason won that championship. Peyton was horrible 

Not to mention the Bears offense was hot garbage and once Indy realized kicking to Hester is a bad idea the game was over

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Just now, JaguarCrazy2832 said:

Not to mention the Bears offense was hot garbage and once Indy realized kicking to Hester is a bad idea the game was over

How did that Bears team even it make it to SB, I don't remember their defense being historically good to carry Rex Grossman ala 00 Ravens, 02 Bucs and 15 Broncos carrying scrub QBs

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4 minutes ago, Activated10 said:

How did that Bears team even it make it to SB, I don't remember their defense being historically good to carry Rex Grossman ala 00 Ravens, 02 Bucs and 15 Broncos carrying scrub QBs

15.9 ppg given up by the defense is really strong

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Just now, JaguarCrazy2832 said:

15.9 ppg given up by the defense is really strong

Yeah just checked they were #1 seed. Surprised they clowned Saints in the NFCCG but I guess they were still too much of finesse team back then.

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When talking about elite QB's, it's almost like you have to put Belichick on a different tier than most other coaches other than like one or two other guys.

Andy Reid is an elite QB coach and a brilliant offensive mind, but he doesn't belong in this type of conversation.

 

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Dungy isn't a Hall of Famer imo, but he was still a heck of a coach.

Edited by Elky

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On 19/05/2019 at 4:19 PM, Activated10 said:

How did that Bears team even it make it to SB, I don't remember their defense being historically good to carry Rex Grossman ala 00 Ravens, 02 Bucs and 15 Broncos carrying scrub QBs

Brad Johnson has a good season in 2002 and deserved his place in the Pro Bowl. He was by no means a scrub.

As for Grossman, he was never a superstar, but how bad he was in 2006 gets exaggerated as the years pass. During that season, he was a decent game manager who could keep an offence ticking over and force a defence to at least consider the passing game. He had a few terrible games that year though, which are the ones which tend to get brought up.

You're also forgetting that the Bears run game was legit during that period, which worked well with one of the most underrated defences of the last 20 years.

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On 2019-05-19 at 12:56 PM, Elky said:

Dungy isn't a Hall of Famer imo, but he was still a heck of a coach.

Colts fan here.

no, he’s not an elite head coach at all. Pretty good...maybe.

He made hall of fame because of the role he played in pioneering the cover-2 defense 

Edited by RTTRUTH

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On 5/16/2019 at 9:48 AM, MKnight82 said:

Gibbs won 3 SBs with 3 different QBs.

I watched many Skins games during the '81 season, lots of them ended with Moseley kicking a FG as time expired to save some bacon as they finished 8-8,  before winning the SB the following year. Have to remember, the Skins were straight scruuuuuubs back then til Gibbs came along. Pure genius coach. 

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On 5/14/2019 at 10:38 PM, Activated10 said:

Could you give more analysis why you guys don't think so, especially when the people I'm quoting at the bottom give him credit for Tampa 2 and for Peyton for winning his SB at the Colts

Winning a SB =/= being an elite coach, let alone a consistently elite coach. 

Dungy’s mind as a pure DC was great, but he wasn’t an all-time coach or something. 

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On 5/13/2019 at 3:17 PM, CP3MVP said:

Tony Dungy’s defense in the postseason won that championship. Peyton was horrible 

that defense got smoke by brady in the afc championship .     in the regular season in 2006 they had the worst defense in the league gave up 200 yards rushing so many times .    peyton played against the ravens in baltimore and bears elite defense .    you really think with average QB   colts win in 06 .    the bears would walk threw them . 

 

when brady puts up the same stats in the superbowl last year  that peyton did in 2015   do you say brady was carried to that win? or in 01  when brady put up horrible numbers ? 

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On 5/14/2019 at 10:38 PM, Activated10 said:

 

 

Could you give more analysis why you guys don't think so, especially when the people I'm quoting at the bottom give him credit for Tampa 2 and for Peyton for winning his SB at the Colts

 

 

 

 

because he did not adapt at all .  he would never blitz  or adjust anything .   the colts now run a tampa 2 but they blitz a lot switch and play some man . disguise plays .    the colts defense got killed by brady  in the afc championship game .     dungy got lucky he went against a couple of bad offenses  in the bears the ravens and chiefs trent green was old and played bad .  the only good offense they played they got beat up .  

 

every year teams in the playoffs killed the colts on the ground the chargers with a back up QB  torched the colts in 08  the steelers killed the colts on the ground the jets so many playoff games they gave up 5 yards a carry on the ground and went on 7 minute drives keeping manning on the bench .   

 

Also he didnt even coach the offense a head coach is suppose to be involved in all aspects he put way to much on manning to call the plays .  manning would overthink himself and over prepare himself which is a real thing .    having a elite coach to game plan is a huge part of winning .      why should a QB be calling plays and designing plays  .   puts way to much on his plate in the playoffs he  should not be calling plays

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