the lone star Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 23 hours ago, sdrawkcab321 said: Dallas needs to stop chasing overrated stars. their roster is more likable this year than any of the previous years though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lone star Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 21 hours ago, CWood21 said: I was wondering if you or @RavensTillIDie got drunk... Go big or go home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted May 19, 2019 Share Posted May 19, 2019 3 hours ago, beekay414 said: Lol no it doesn't. You need to look up the definition of a fact. But carry on with whatever works for ya. I'll guarantee that Jayson Tatum will never be a top 10 player. He doesnt facilitate at all for anyone but himself, he isn't an elite athlete nor does he have elite traits. His ceiling is top 30, max. He's a #2 option, at best, flat out. He's more along the lines of a Khris Middleton. Borderline all-star, solid #2 on a good team. Nothing wrong with that. Why is anyone speaking facts about a dude who just ended his 2nd year? Saying point blank he's going to cap out as Khris Middleton is stupid, quite frankly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, MookieMonstah said: Why is anyone speaking facts about a dude who just ended his 2nd year? Saying point blank he's going to cap out as Khris Middleton is stupid, quite frankly. Saying he's going to cap out as a #2, borderline all-star, not Khris Middleton. Don't get caught up in the name. There's literally nothing to suggest he'll ever be a top 10 player. Everything about him screams #2 scorer. Nothing in the numbers nor on tape says #1. Nothing. He's not an elite athlete, he doesn't have an elite skillset and he doesn't facilitate for others. He's a #2, at best. Edited May 20, 2019 by beekay414 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resilient part 2 Posted May 20, 2019 Author Share Posted May 20, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, beekay414 said: Saying he's going to cap out as a #2, borderline all-star, not Khris Middleton. Don't get caught up in the name. There's literally nothing to suggest he'll ever be a top 10 player. Everything about him screams #2 scorer. Nothing in the numbers nor on tape says #1. Nothing. He's not an elite athlete, he doesn't have an elite skillset and he doesn't facilitate for others. He's a #2, at best. Comments like this just make me want to lol Paul George Kawhi Leonard and even your great Greek Freak did not show any signs of being a top 10 player when they were only 19 and 20 years old. How do you feel if somebody would have said back then they had no chance. More or less that's what you're saying about Tatum. Not saying he will end up on that level but to say no chance means you are very closed minded Edited May 20, 2019 by resilient part 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 10 minutes ago, beekay414 said: Saying he's going to cap out as a #2, borderline all-star, not Khris Middleton. Don't get caught up in the name. There's literally nothing to suggest he'll ever be a top 10 player. Everything about him screams #2 scorer. Nothing in the numbers nor on tape says #1. Nothing. He's not an elite athlete, he doesn't have an elite skillset and he doesn't facilitate for others. He's a #2, at best. Kawhi didn’t have any of those things. Tatum has similar advanced stats to some of the best players in the league in his second season. Anyone can learn to facilitate. He has a super advanced offensive game for a second year player, stop this non-sense. Giannis was nothing but a good athlete his first two seasons, good thing guys can improve eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, MookieMonstah said: Kawhi didn’t have any of those things. Tatum has similar advanced stats to some of the best players in the league in his second season. Anyone can learn to facilitate. He has a super advanced offensive game for a second year player, stop this non-sense. Giannis was nothing but a good athlete his first two seasons, good thing guys can improve eh? Giannis had elite length and was a facilitator. They both had elite physical tools. Tatum doesn't. But keep ignoring that. You have to have elite traits or an elite tool to be in the top 10. Tatum has neither. Edited May 20, 2019 by beekay414 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resilient part 2 Posted May 20, 2019 Author Share Posted May 20, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, beekay414 said: Giannis had elite length and was a facilitator. They both had elite physical tools. Tatum doesn't. But keep ignoring that. You have to have elite traits or an elite tool to be in the top 10. Tatum has neither. Oh really so what was it that Paul George had when he was a rookie?, or Jimmy Butler for that matter Edited May 20, 2019 by resilient part 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 3 hours ago, MookieMonstah said: Why is anyone speaking facts about a dude who just ended his 2nd year? Saying point blank he's going to cap out as Khris Middleton is stupid, quite frankly. Ironic. Brandon Ingram is nothing more than a role player, but the second someone tries to put a limit on Tatum it's a travesty. Keep up your ridiculous double standard, I'm enjoying it. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, resilient part 2 said: Oh really so what was it that Paul George had when he was a rookie? George had elite physical tools. How are you missing this? Edited May 20, 2019 by beekay414 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 8 hours ago, DirtyDez said: I never thought he meant the Lakers wanting #6 directly. It would be a 3-way for a vet like Beal plus other stuff. I would take Ball only because the last thing we need is another 19 year old. I mean, the Lakers aren't "resetting" their PG position again unless we're getting a clear upgrade over Lonzo. For all of his issues, Lonzo still adds quite a bit of value and the Lakers are clearly better with him on the court. I could see them looking for a running mate next to him, but I don't see them drafting a replacement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 On 5/18/2019 at 6:07 PM, seminoles1 said: Why not? Because I don't think the Lakers are interested in "resetting" the PG position for the third time without a clear upgrade. I think the only way Lonzo Ball becomes available is if the Lakers had a clear upgrade, i.e. Kyrie Irving, in the wings. They traded D'Angelo Russell to clear Timofey Mozgov's contract, so there was at least value there. Swapping one PG for another PG with significantly more risk doesn't seem like something the Lakers are keen on doing with LeBron in the fold. If they're moving Lonzo, it's part of a trade for Anthony Davis IMO. Maybe Bradley Beal if they sign Kyrie, and can't get New Orleans to budge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 On 5/18/2019 at 5:29 PM, MookieMonstah said: It’s not. I don’t hate the Lakers, they’ve been irrelevant for 10 years. It’s just facts, Zach Lowe had a good discussion about it on his podcast. The Lakers package is basically a collection of role players, it’s not what you want for a guy like AD. Clearly you do. You haven't posted an iota of logic behind any of your argument. Somehow when @beekay414 calls Tatum a #2 at best, you're talking about how it's too early to put any kind of limit on what he can be. But you just got done talking about how Ingram was a role player. Don't even try and argue otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 7 hours ago, CWood21 said: Clearly you do. You haven't posted an iota of logic behind any of your argument. Somehow when @beekay414 calls Tatum a #2 at best, you're talking about how it's too early to put any kind of limit on what he can be. But you just got done talking about how Ingram was a role player. Don't even try and argue otherwise. I’ve said Ingram has the ceiling of a good #3 on a contender somewhere in the 8 threads discussing an AD trade. Ingram just isn’t particularly great at anything and he’s heading into his 4th season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted May 20, 2019 Share Posted May 20, 2019 8 hours ago, beekay414 said: Giannis had elite length and was a facilitator. They both had elite physical tools. Tatum doesn't. But keep ignoring that. You have to have elite traits or an elite tool to be in the top 10. Tatum has neither. “Elite length”. Oy. Kawhi didn’t have elite physical tools anymore than Tatum does. I still think Tatum is the best asset the Pelicans are getting unless mystery teams jump in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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