DoleINGout Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 1 minute ago, showtime said: Yea, but it's easy for you to place a high value on honor. You're not the one getting offered a $15 million contract for a season by the Knicks. No disrespect intended btw. No disrespect really felt. Just, it's easy to say what someone else would do. Easy for you to say I wouldn't have more honor. Easy for me to say somebody else should have more. Easy argument to make either way for anyone to say what else someone should do. I will say that $20 million over two years guaranteed is more than $15 million on one year. If we are talking about the beat deal for our future right now, then whats to say the Spurs deal is worse? He is guaranteed to make $5 million more. Plus we are talking about taxes in New York versus Texas. Huge difference since there isn't any income tax in good ol' Texas. If it were me and the family with the career Marcus Morris has had thus far? The benefit to New York is it is still the northeast and relatively close to the cities where we have all lived together throughout my career. But your argument is about financial security, and so if it really was me, I like Texas/San Antonio/Austin much better than New York/Manhattan. I like the Texas people better, the food better, the land better, the freedom better, the taxes are better, just about everything environmentally with air pollution is better in Texas, and I like the opportunity with the Spurs/Popovich much better. But of course I am not in the position Marcus Morris is in currently. And I am also not a selfish player who quits randomly on defense and shoots the ball every time it is in my hands. Marcus Morris is all of those things and be is also a loser in the NBA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 @MookieMonstah @seminoles1 @Troy Brown It is good for Morris this year I suppose. But there is more security in a two year deal. Plus, as I stated in my last post, there is an big income tax in New York that doesn't exist in Texas. Morris is betting on himself for a year to stay healthy and come away with another contract. I don't think it's a great trade off but if that's what Morris expects to give him the best position going forward rather than with the Spurs then best of luck. I have no problem with the argument of greater balance of power. But I don't necessarily care all that much that a millionaire NBA player is getting a couple million more dollars in a single season nor do I see that as a huge win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Just now, DoleINGout said: @MookieMonstah @seminoles1 @Troy Brown It is good for Morris this year I suppose. But there is more security in a two year deal. Plus, as I stated in my last post, there is an big income tax in New York that doesn't exist in Texas. Morris is betting on himself for a year to stay healthy and come away with another contract. I don't think it's a great trade off but if that's what Morris expects to give him the best position going forward rather than with the Spurs then best of luck. I have no problem with the argument of greater balance of power. But I don't necessarily care all that much that a millionaire NBA player is getting a couple million more dollars in a single season nor do I see that as a huge win. If he makes 15M this year and 12-15M next year it could be an extra 5-10M in his pocket. Thats why you take the bigger 1 year deal, he'll also be able to just ball out in New York. Pop wouldn't deal with him going rogue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Brown Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 He's more likely to increase his stock playing in NY where he'll probably be the 2nd or 3rd option on most nights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Just now, Troy Brown said: He's more likely to increase his stock playing in NY where he'll probably be the 2nd or 3rd option on most nights Exactly, and hes Mook so he's going to be the 1st option whenever hes in the game. Dude could put up legit numbers in NY and get a hefty pay day next off-season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 1 minute ago, MookieMonstah said: If he makes 15M this year and 12-15M next year it could be an extra 5-10M in his pocket. Thats why you take the bigger 1 year deal, he'll also be able to just ball out in New York. Pop wouldn't deal with him going rogue. Yeah well he will have to stay healthy which is something you can only hope for. At least with the Spurs it is all guaranteed for longer. I get why Morris sees value in trading off the 20/2 for 15/1, but at this stage in his career he has to remain available or else he won't necessarily get a contract that is worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Just now, DoleINGout said: Yeah well he will have to stay healthy which is something you can only hope for. At least with the Spurs it is all guaranteed for longer. I get why Morris sees value in trading off the 20/2 for 15/1, but at this stage in his career he has to remain available or else he won't necessarily get a contract that is worth it. Even if he got hurt, barring it be something serious like an achilles, I don't see anyway he makes less than 5M the following year so he comes out even regardless of what happens really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Just now, MookieMonstah said: Even if he got hurt, barring it be something serious like an achilles, I don't see anyway he makes less than 5M the following year so he comes out even regardless of what happens really. Hypothetically even but you're not factoring in state income tax for multimillionaires. One view is that Morris doesn't have to change anything about his game to fit on the Knicks and so he will naturally have more of a role. My view is that Spurs will make Morris a better player over the course of two seasons and in the NBA with analytics and everything used to determine what makes a winner, that experience after just one extra year is going to entice GM's to make stronger, probably multiyear offers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 1 minute ago, DoleINGout said: My view is that Spurs will make Morris a better player over the course of two seasons and in the NBA with analytics and everything used to determine what makes a winner, that experience after just one extra year is going to entice GM's to make stronger, probably multiyear offers. Take Danny Green for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, DoleINGout said: Take Danny Green for example. Danny Green been the same dude for 6 years now. He got paid because he was a perfect fit with Lebron and AD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11sanchez11 Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 11 minutes ago, Troy Brown said: He's more likely to increase his stock playing in NY where he'll probably be the 2nd or 3rd option on most nights he's about to be 30. I doubt that his value is changing much either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Troy Brown Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 Just now, 11sanchez11 said: he's about to be 30. I doubt that his value is changing much either way. sure but he's likely to get a better deal if he averages 18-7 or something for a year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoleINGout Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, MookieMonstah said: Danny Green been the same dude for 6 years now. He got paid because he was a perfect fit with Lebron and AD. He got paid foremost because he is a winner at his position. Green learned winning tendencies from his time with the Spurs and it translated into an expended market for his services as soon as be became a free agent. If Morris develops any tendencies in his game to win then he could be a commodity/asset like Green as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MookieMonstah Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 1 minute ago, DoleINGout said: He got paid foremost because he is a winner at his position. Green learned winning tendencies from his time with the Spurs and it translated into an expended market for his services as soon as be became a free agent. If Morris develops any tendencies in his game to win then he could be a commodity/asset like Green as well. He got paid because he’s a perfect fit with Lebron and AD. Morris will make more money doing this, it’s a smart move by him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYRaider Posted July 10, 2019 Share Posted July 10, 2019 10 minutes ago, MookieMonstah said: Danny Green been the same dude for 6 years now. He got paid because he was a perfect fit with Lebron and AD. Danny Green is trash and wasn't worth the deal that he got. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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