Danand Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 8 minutes ago, alfalcone said: I generally think that "high floor: low bust risk guys tend to bust at a higher rate. Look back at our "safest" picks, they have been littered with busts. Who do you consider our safest picks? A Breshad Perriman was a clear boom/bust pick. Courtney Upshaw was the complete opposite with high floor low ceiling and he was exactly that with us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamondbull424 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Danand said: Who do you consider our safest picks? A Breshad Perriman was a clear boom/bust pick. Courtney Upshaw was the complete opposite with high floor low ceiling and he was exactly that with us. Disagree with Upshaw. I suppose you could say he wasn’t a bust because he was only a second round pick and he was a spealist at least. But considering in that draft a lot of that draft season and during the Senior Bowl enough were perplexed as to who was the better player Courtney Upshaw or Melvin Ingram as both were undersized pass rushers with power. Not that Ingram was available at our pick, but considering the guy that was his running mates success in the league, can’t help but to be very disappointed with what Upshaw put up here IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.10.E Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 It's sad how excited I am for this draft. Just need some sense of normalcy/sports. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SalvadorsDeli Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) So - with all of the goodwill EDC has built up, who would the 1st round pick who sends this forum into a tailspin of Hayden Hurst proportions? Gotta be Kenneth Murray, right? Mims would be pretty polarizing as well. Edited April 21, 2020 by BaltimoreTerp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavensfanRD Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) Cerato just said it would take 28th, 60 and a early forth to go up to 13th. What dope is he smoking? I'll take it, but ain't no way that's happening. He said it would be for Lamb and with our next pick we take Cushenberry. Sign me the eff up, immediately! @BaltimoreTerp Murray for sure, haha Edited April 21, 2020 by RavensfanRD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M.10.E Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 14 minutes ago, BaltimoreTerp said: So - with all of the goodwill EDC has built up, who would the 1st round pick who sends this forum into a tailspin of Hayden Hurst proportions? Gotta be Kenneth Murray, right? Mims would be pretty polarizing as well. A RB for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coordinator0 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 20 minutes ago, BaltimoreTerp said: So - with all of the goodwill EDC has built up, who would the 1st round pick who sends this forum into a tailspin of Hayden Hurst proportions? Gotta be Kenneth Murray, right? Mims would be pretty polarizing as well. Murray might be one of the more likely results too. Zrebiec certainly seems to think that the team is targeting ILB high. I wouldn't be all that upset with him. He's a good prospect that fits with the defense. Coverage and range over the middle is still the weakest link on that side of the ball. Fort doesn't do enough to rectify the situation. Clark comes down in dime sets, but there's still a LB on the field next to him. To me it's a position that clearly needs to be upgraded and Murray (or Queen) are guys that can do it and are good enough to not be reaches at 28. I'm not sure there is a true "bad" pick this year. Unless it's something off the wall... like Cole Kmet. Another tight end would do it. Also any RB. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavensTillIDie Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 45 minutes ago, BaltimoreTerp said: So - with all of the goodwill EDC has built up, who would the 1st round pick who sends this forum into a tailspin of Hayden Hurst proportions? Gotta be Kenneth Murray, right? Mims would be pretty polarizing as well. I can live with reaching on a position of need, even if I'm not a huge fan of the player relative to draft position. However, I will lose my mind if we draft another RB, specifically someone like DeAndre Swift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berlin calling Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 if the board is depleted when its our turn should just call the Colts and ask if Hooker indeed is available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp6488 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, berlin calling said: if the board is depleted when its our turn should just call the Colts and ask if Hooker indeed is available. If the board is depleted, hopefully that means one of the QBs or some other position that's not of particular need to us has slid. I think there are quite a few teams picking in the 33 - 40 range that we should be ready to deal with to slide back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp6488 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 hour ago, diamondbull424 said: Disagree with Upshaw. I suppose you could say he wasn’t a bust because he was only a second round pick and he was a spealist at least. But considering in that draft a lot of that draft season and during the Senior Bowl enough were perplexed as to who was the better player Courtney Upshaw or Melvin Ingram as both were undersized pass rushers with power. Not that Ingram was available at our pick, but considering the guy that was his running mates success in the league, can’t help but to be very disappointed with what Upshaw put up here IMO. I'm not sure I follow... You acknowledge it, but Ingram was drafted mid-first. Sort of an odd way to present your disappointment with Upshaw. I'd say he was more than a specialist. He was a key part of the defensive rotation. To the point you're responding to, he definitely maintained his "high floor" as an edge setter who was a plus in the run game, even if he didn't achieve a ceiling as a pass rusher (or alternatively, was relatively "low ceiling" the whole time). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coordinator0 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, berlin calling said: if the board is depleted when its our turn should just call the Colts and ask if Hooker indeed is available. Maybe with 55 or 60, not 28. Hooker hasn't lived up to his expectations and isn't worth a first round pick. He's a year out from the 5th-year option too, so there's only one season of cheap rookie deal left. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sp6488 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 1 hour ago, M.10.E said: It's sad how excited I am for this draft. Just need some sense of normalcy/sports. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamKid Posted April 21, 2020 Author Share Posted April 21, 2020 3 hours ago, coordinator0 said: I wouldn't be all that upset with him. He's a good prospect that fits with the defense. Coverage and range over the middle is still the weakest link on that side of the ball. Fort doesn't do enough to rectify the situation. Clark comes down in dime sets, but there's still a LB on the field next to him. To me it's a position that clearly needs to be upgraded and Murray (or Queen) are guys that can do it and are good enough to not be reaches at 28. I see Murray exasperating our issues at ILB. His main issues are in coverage and with play recognition, he's not the surest tackler either. Range is next to meaningless when you have a faulty trigger and can't grasp what you're seeing. I don't see the logic behind the team moving on from players with near identical issues to Murray in Young & Onwuasor, only to then drop a 1st Round Pick on him. Especially after we improved play at the position with off the street talent, and the team has expressed a clear desire to utilize a platoon at the position. The devaluation of the LB position across the league is practical, particularly for our club. Drafting Murray in the 1st would be a major ? for me, and an allocation of key resources during a prime championship window that EDC would have to answer for in the likely event that Murray doesn't work out. 3 hours ago, RavensTillIDie said: However, I will lose my mind if we draft another RB, specifically someone like DeAndre Swift. That would be pretty WTF for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diamondbull424 Posted April 21, 2020 Share Posted April 21, 2020 Last minute adjustments, Jonathan Taylor I still like as a player. But I’m thinking I’m lowering him back down to a 4.5 star player vs a low 5 star player, which still puts him on a Chubb level... just can’t decide definitively as to who is better. He’s still my favorite RB in this draft and the best fit for our squad IMO. Denzel Mims is now my third rated receiver in this draft class, I would rate my current crop of top 15 WRs as follows: ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️💫 Jerry Jeudy CeeDee Lamb, Denzel Mims ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️ Henry Ruggs, Jalen Raegor KJ Hamler, Justin Jefferson ⭐️⭐️⭐️💫 Brandon Aiyuk, Bryan Edwards Tee Higgins, Michael Pittman Jr ⭐️⭐️⭐️ Donovan Peoples Jones, Darnell Mooney Lynn Bowden Jr, Laviska Shenault Beyond my top 15 WR options, I might not feel so confident about said receiver being someone to rely on in 2020. Sure they might be still some good receivers, but I wouldn’t put them above Miles Boykin or at least a year two version of Miles Boykin... in fact really just my top 7 players are guys we could come away with from this draft and I would be truly excited about. My top 3 however are the ones I’m most sure of where I feel they all have very high floors as well as high ceilings. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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