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yup its the same foot he broke in Cincinnati which is not a good sign, recovery is suppose to be 3-4 months which is the start of the season. The bills can clear 4.95 mil by cutting him now and only costing them 4.2 mil dead cap if they do not think he is worth keeping around as it may be a lingering issue.

Kyle Rudolph is available and probably would cost a day 3 pick in 2020 draft, wouldn't mind taking a look at him. His cap hit would be 7.6 but could be seeking an extension. I wouldnt mind them making this move, cut Kroft bodine and ducasse that will be enough to replace that cap for Rudolph. As I could see all 3 not making the roster not to mention the 28 mil in cap space they currently have. 

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2 hours ago, soflbillsfan said:

yup its the same foot he broke in Cincinnati which is not a good sign, recovery is suppose to be 3-4 months which is the start of the season. The bills can clear 4.95 mil by cutting him now and only costing them 4.2 mil dead cap if they do not think he is worth keeping around as it may be a lingering issue.

Kyle Rudolph is available and probably would cost a day 3 pick in 2020 draft, wouldn't mind taking a look at him. His cap hit would be 7.6 but could be seeking an extension. I wouldnt mind them making this move, cut Kroft bodine and ducasse that will be enough to replace that cap for Rudolph. As I could see all 3 not making the roster not to mention the 28 mil in cap space they currently have. 

Cut him? It’s the spring and a three month injury. If he’s going to play like the whole season why in the world would you cut him and and start off in a bad spot taking on dead cap money? And then add on another TE whos hit would be double that. He’s going to stay and get a shot

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Annoying and unfortunate for him no doubt. But cutting him would be a mistake.

 

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20 minutes ago, Trentwannabe said:

Annoying and unfortunate for him no doubt. But cutting him would be a mistake.

 

Unless we go a knocking on Minnesota's door for Kyle Rudolph

Just read the Pats are interested. Getting Kyle would help us and take away from them

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@DER10N92 @Trentwannabe Put us in a bad spot and be a mistake? You do realize that this injury could be a long term issue like Sammy Watkins, its a reinjury and likely of it happening again in the future as these foot injuries tend to reoccur. Letting him go now cost the bills 4 mill and it frees up 5 million if they cut him with no charges in the future. Hes on a new team and needs time to build chemistry with Allen which is no longer an option as he is resting from surgery and will not see the field until week 1 or 2 of the regular season in which he will be playing catch up. At best he will be in shape and on the same page as Allen week 6 to actually be effective. With KNox being the only one not signed the bills are currently at 28 mil. Thats not including the 5 mil kroft will clear, the bills could also look to trade bodine and a 6th rd pick for Rudolph. As they will need some oline help and bills are likely to move on from Bodine, this will clear another 2.3 mil in cap space. Kyle Rudolph is a much better TE and his cost is 7 million this year and the bills can likely extend him a couple more years. Its an ideal situation as the Vikings need cap relief and they are looking to move him for fairly cheap as he may be a future cut in order to get where they want to be and pick up a veteran OG/C for only 500k this year. All in all this would be a great move and its not a knee jerk reaction to move on from Kroft based on his injury history and the contract being fairly cheap it would be well worth the move to upgrade by landing Rudolph and not skipping a beat as OTAs just started giving Kyle plenty of time to build the chemistry with Allen that Kroft wouldnt have been able to do.

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6 minutes ago, soflbillsfan said:

@DER10N92 @Trentwannabe Put us in a bad spot and be a mistake? You do realize that this injury could be a long term issue like Sammy Watkins, its a reinjury and likely of it happening again in the future as these foot injuries tend to reoccur. Letting him go now cost the bills 4 mill and it frees up 5 million if they cut him with no charges in the future. Hes on a new team and needs time to build chemistry with Allen which is no longer an option as he is resting from surgery and will not see the field until week 1 or 2 of the regular season in which he will be playing catch up. At best he will be in shape and on the same page as Allen week 6 to actually be effective. With KNox being the only one not signed the bills are currently at 28 mil. Thats not including the 5 mil kroft will clear, the bills could also look to trade bodine and a 6th rd pick for Rudolph. As they will need some oline help and bills are likely to move on from Bodine, this will clear another 2.3 mil in cap space. Kyle Rudolph is a much better TE and his cost is 7 million this year and the bills can likely extend him a couple more years. Its an ideal situation as the Vikings need cap relief and they are looking to move him for fairly cheap as he may be a future cut in order to get where they want to be and pick up a veteran OG/C for only 500k this year. All in all this would be a great move and its not a knee jerk reaction to move on from Kroft based on his injury history and the contract being fairly cheap it would be well worth the move to upgrade by landing Rudolph and not skipping a beat as OTAs just started giving Kyle plenty of time to build the chemistry with Allen that Kroft wouldnt have been able to do.

Sign a player to a contract then cutting him after one freak injury in May is a terrible way to run a franchise. Good luck getting free agents to sign here with that philosiphy. And why stop at Kroft? Beasley and Morse are injured and won't likely practice until TC. Might as well cut them. Their soft tissue injuries are  actually more likely to reoccur than a break is. 

No one is arguing against bringing in Rudolph. But cutting Kroft is 100% a knee jerk reaction and a terrible look for a young team.

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6 minutes ago, Trentwannabe said:

Sign a player to a contract then cutting him after one freak injury in May is a terrible way to run a franchise. Good luck getting free agents to sign here with that philosiphy. And why stop at Kroft? Beasley and Morse are injured and won't likely practice until TC. Might as well cut them. Their soft tissue injuries are  actually more likely to reoccur than a break is. 

No one is arguing against bringing in Rudolph. But cutting Kroft is 100% a knee jerk reaction and a terrible look for a young team.

Doesn’t make any sense to go after Rudolph right now tbqh 

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Going after Rudolph would mean keeping 4 tight ends on the roster that’s crazy sauce. Unless they took Kroft back in the trade

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Just now, Trentwannabe said:

Sign a player to a contract then cutting him after one freak injury in May is a terrible way to run a franchise. Good luck getting free agents to sign here with that philosiphy. And why stop at Kroft? Beasley and Morse are injured and won't likely practice until TC. Might as well cut them. Their soft tissue injuries are  actually more likely to reoccur than a break is. 

No one is arguing against bringing in Rudolph. But cutting Kroft is 100% a knee jerk reaction and a terrible look for a young team.

Your comparing guys who will be out for 2 more weeks to a guy who is likely out until early to mid season, not to mention the contract implications. People get cut all the time its not like Kroft's starting position was set and the bones in the foot are way worse then a core muscle injury. The comparison on this is ridiculous in no way are Beasley and Morse in the same situation as Kroft. Also the TE position is deep on this team and Kroft isnt some guy who has proven to be elite talent to keep around. I think the hughes signing stuck any players or even fans that question they are loyal to their players proved wrong as they arent afraid to extend and pay guys before contracts are up. The reason the contract was team friendly is because of his injury history and the fact he isnt amazing. Keeping Kroft would put the bills in a situation where they would have a ton of cap put in to the TE position. You can view the cutting in a negative way but this is the nature of the sport

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Just now, bigbadbuff23835 said:

Going after Rudolph would mean keeping 4 tight ends on the roster that’s crazy sauce. Unless they took Kroft back in the trade

The bills are keeping 4 TE no matter what. Kroft, Lee, Knox, Sweeney...2 receiving TE and 2 blocking ones. Croom may even catch on as a 5th TE. So yes going after Rudolph would mean the end of Kroft

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4 minutes ago, bigbadbuff23835 said:

Doesn’t make any sense to go after Rudolph right now tbqh 

why doesnt it make sense? Knox is raw and isnt projected to start right away, Croom is still a project as he made a couple of nice catches but was a liability on the field most of the time. Lee is not really a receiving TE and is great at blocking, Sweeney is also a blocking TE and likely a project as well. So going after a receiving TE who is still in his prime and has had an impact on the VIkings being a huge target the bills desperately need at 6'5 I do not see why this would not make sense as he would need time to learn the play book and gel with Allen. Kroft isnt coming back until the season starts, as the time table is 3-4 months which is September, and thats not mentioning him being in game play shape which will take a couple of weeks as well as getting on the same page as allen in his routes and being where he needs to be to make the catch. Chemistry is not there and wont be there until both are on the field. 

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6 minutes ago, soflbillsfan said:

Your comparing guys who will be out for 2 more weeks to a guy who is likely out until early to mid season, not to mention the contract implications. People get cut all the time its not like Kroft's starting position was set and the bones in the foot are way worse then a core muscle injury. The comparison on this is ridiculous in no way are Beasley and Morse in the same situation as Kroft.

2 weeks? With soft tissue issues it can linger all season long. I would bet good money at least one if not both end up on the PUP to start TC.

A core muscle is 100% worse then a broken bone. Bones actually heal with the right protection and rest. Stevie Johnson still has groin issues to this day. The whole idea of cutting Kroft is ridiculous. Hence the ridiculous counter argument to cut other guys with injuries. 

Nature of the sport? Please. Name one player signed to a multi year deal who was cut two days in OTA's because of an injury? Kroft is out 3-4 months. 4 months from today is Week 3 and its not like he won't be in team meetings or on the field or is some rookie who has never played. He won't be some slob who takes weeks to get into football shape. 

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20 minutes ago, Trentwannabe said:

2 weeks? With soft tissue issues it can linger all season long. I would bet good money at least one if not both end up on the PUP to start TC.

A core muscle is 100% worse then a broken bone. Bones actually heal with the right protection and rest. Stevie Johnson still has groin issues to this day. The whole idea of cutting Kroft is ridiculous. Hence the ridiculous counter argument to cut other guys with injuries. 

Nature of the sport? Please. Name one player signed to a multi year deal who was cut two days in OTA's because of an injury? Kroft is out 3-4 months. 4 months from today is Week 3 and its not like he won't be in team meetings or on the field or is some rookie who has never played. He won't be some slob who takes weeks to get into football shape. 

1st off its not a multi year, its a 1 year deal with only 4 million in implications if let go and if he overproduced then they have the safety net of 2 more years with zero guarantees. 4 mil in dead cap is a drop in the bucket for the bills as of right now. Players get cut all the time there is a reason why 90 players start the offseason and only 53 stay on. If Rudolph is traded to bills then Kroft is expendable plain and simple. A receiver who has now rebroken the same bone in his foot where he constantly runs on it will likely have issues again with it, he had the injury during week 5 of last year missing 11 games and had an extra 4 months after the season was over for it to heal, so to say that he is going to be good to go week 3 is dreaming. Beasley and Morse had their surgeries a few weeks ago and the recovery time of a core muscle surgery is anywhere from 2-8 weeks, like I said completely different scenarios. Even if they sit out some of training camp they will still be in for preseason and practicing at that time to get things ready for week 1. Also keep in mind that the bills did sign and then trade McCarron last offseason so anything is possible with Beane. If he is confident that Rudolph is worth the move then someone is out of a job and its likely Kroft. Just because Kroft has played in the NFL doesnt mean he is able to get a pass on missing stuff, he has a new playbook where he may learn in his mind but needs reps running those routes, getting the timing down on Allen's passes and building something there. You cant build chemistry just off the field you need to build it on the field by continuous repetition . You can keep Kroft and put him on IR/Pup list to return and have him come back if he cant perform you can cut him with an injury settlement as things like that happen all the time and it would only cost them the 4 mil. You dont necessarily need to cut him today but can cut him before he comes back to prevent any extre money going his way and he can find a team to get on at that time.

Edited by soflbillsfan

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@soflbillsfan

Kroft waited over a month to have surgery last time because it was believed to be a hairline fracture that he could play through.That turned out to not be the case. This time he and the team opted for surgery right away knowing it was a clean break and a cast couldn't be used to hold the bone in place. 

Regardless, it is all irrelevant as the Bills have already made clear their intentions for Kroft and the team moving forward. 

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We were going through our drills yesterday and we got word after practice that he had fractured his foot. Listen, it’s not ideal. Availability is key, but we trust our medical staff and Tyler as well who is a hard-working man and that he will be back in due time and ready to go.

 - Sean McDermott

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