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I know were all looking forward to another run at the Superbowl, but I wanted to share this that I have been working off of while looking at the future of the tam. Obviously stuff changes throughout the season, but for the most pat, these numbers are what they are for the next couple of years.So please refrence as you look at you 2020 Mocks and beyond.

Quarterbacks

  • Jared Goff
    • 2020 - $22.8m (5th Year Option)
    • 2021 - Extension Coming

Goff is basically it, Bortles is likely only around for this season (due to the offset language in his Jags contract), and those young guys arent really much to speak of. I guess there is a slim chance that no other team is interested in Blake next year, and he could come back as a backup, but I would still bet someone offers him something more than the couple of Mil that we would. We better get used to paying 15% of our Cap to our QB, because even if we dont get back to the Super Bowl this year, Goff is looking at a $25m AAV extension at minimum (probably closer to $30m) from 2021-25. Better find a project backup in the draft soon.

Running Backs

  • Todd Gurley
    • 2020 - $17.25m
    • 2021 - $13.20m (Cut > $4.8m Cap savings)
    • 2022 - $14.20m (Cut > $10m Cap savings)
    • 2023 - $12.45m (Cut > $12.45m Cap savings)
  • Malcolm Brown
    • 2020 - $1.15m (Cut > $1.1m Cap Savings)
  • John Kelly
    • 2020-2021 - Rookie Contract
  • Darrell Henderson
    • 2020-2022 - Rookie Contract

First real surprise here when looking into these deals, we actually arent tied to many of these guys as long as I originally thought. We could technically start saving money by cutting Gurley after next season. Not all that much money, but it looks like unless the Knee issue doesnt worsen at all over the next couple of seasons, we will probably be out of that deal before Henderson's rookie deal is up. Ontop of that, the Lions really must not have wanted Brown all that much, because there is almost no guaranteed dollars left on his deal after the 2019 season. So while I originally thought we might be moving Kelly this year, it looks more like we will keep 4 RBs due to the injury concerns and the more team friendly Contracts than originally thought. And while I still think many who have RB high on the Needs list for 2020 were being a bit premature, Im starting to lean that way too. (A Carlos Hyde/Latavius Murray type to split with Henderson would be very nice and cheap for the RB position)

Wide Receivers

  • Brandin Cooks
    • 2020 - $16.80m
    • 2021 - $16.80m (Cut > $3.8m Cap savings)
    • 2022 - $17.80m (Cut > $9.6m Cap savings)
    • 2023 - $17.40m (Cut > $14m Cap savings)
  • Robert Woods
    • 2020 - $7.18m (Cut > $4.8m Cap Savings)
    • 2021 - $9.18m (Cut > $8m Cap Savings)
  • Cooper Kupp
    • 2020 - $1.20m 
    • 2021 - Free Agent (Likely Extension)
  • Josh Reynolds
    • 2020 - $900k
    • 2021 - Free Agent
  • Jojo Natson
    • 2020 - Restricted Free Agent
  • Khadarel Hodge
    • 2020 - Exclusive Rights Free Agent
    • 2021 - Restricted Free Agent

I often forget how much money Cooks is making. That being said, I dont think we are cutting him anytime soon, but I also dont think he ever sees the final year of his contract either. Thats really the only time it is even worth cutting him (plus he'll be turning 30 that season). Woods on the other hand, would provide a savings any time now if we cut him. I would guess we are looking for his replacement sooner than most think, and thats coming form someone who has been a huge Woods fan since even before we signed him. Kupp, if he proves to be fully recovered,, is likely looking at a new extension, possibly even taking the money that we are currently paying to Woods. In a couple of years, I think someone will be paying Reynolds some big money (mostly on potential), they question will be if its the Rams or someone else. Im not sure we even need to worry about Natson and Hodge, but Jojo will be the main return man this year, and I know many had a Training Camp boner for Khadarel so i threw them in.

Tight Ends

  • Tyler Higbee
    • 2020 - Free Agent
  • Gerald Everett
    • 2020 - $1.92m 
    • 2021 - Free Agent (Possible Extension)
  • Johnny Mundt
    • 2020 - Exclusive Rights Free Agent
    • 2021 - Restricted Free Agent
  • Kendall Blanton
    • 2020-2022 - Rookie Contract
  • Keenan Brown
    • 2020-2022 - Rookie Contract

Feels like theres about to be a whole lot of turnover at the TE position for us. For most of these I wont keep 2020 Free Agents on the list, but Higbee is worth the mention, as many have hoped he would become something in this offense. Sadly that doesnt look like it will happen. He would need to have one heck of a year to be brought back as anything more than a backup. And honestly, I think Everett might be in the same boat. hes got an extra year to prove it, but so far he has been a disappointment. The rest are just depth/roster fodder. Mundt might not even make the roster this year much less be worth a tender in a few. And I only threw Blanton and Brown to the list because they are the rookies I know and like the most. The more I look at it, the more this shows up as one of the bigger holes on the Roster.

Offensive Line

  • Rob Havenstein
    • 2020 - $7.80m (Cut > $1.65m Cap savings)
    • 2021 - $7.55m (Cut > $5.95m Cap savings)
    • 2022 - $8.05m (Cut > $7.25m Cap savings)
  • Joseph Noteboom
    • 2020 - $920k (Cut > $510k Cap savings)
    • 2021 - $1.01m (Cut > $810k Cap savings)
    • 2022 - Free Agent (Likely Extension)
  • Brian Allen
    • 2020 - $830k (Cut > $490k Cap savings)
    • 2021 - $920k (Cut > $750k Cap savings)
    • 2022 - Free Agent
  • Austin Blythe
    • 2020 - Free Agent
  • Jamil Demby
    • 2020 - $660k 
    • 2021 - Restricted Free Agent
  • Bobby Evans
    • 2020-2022 - Rookie Contract
  • David Edwards
    • 2020-2022 - Rookie Contract
  • Chandler Brewer
    • 2020-2022 - Rookie Contract
  • Brandon Hinter
    • 2020-2022 - Rookie Contract

Whit's retirement after this season might not be the only Starter to leave from the O-line, Blythe is a free agent as well, and unless he proves to be a stud this year, I think he will get paid more than we are willing to give a guy who should be more of a 6th Man than counting on to start. Obviously Noteboom will have a couple of years to prove he deserves an extension, but some continuity is needed on the OL (Allen is on the same timetable). But what really stands out is the guaranteed dollars owed to Big Rob (or lack thereof), because after 2020 he could be cut without any worry if need be. That actually makes the picks of Evans and Edwards make a bit more sense. 

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Defensive Front

  • Aaron Donald
    • 2020 - $25.00m
    • 2021 - $27.89m (Cut > $11.89m Cap savings)
    • 2022 - $22.25m (Cut > $14.25m Cap savings)
    • 2023 - $19.00m (Cut > $19m Cap savings)
    • 2024 - $21.75m (Cut > $21.75m Cap savings)
  • Michael Brockers
    • 2020 - Free Agent
  • Dante Fowler
    • 2020 - Free Agent
  • Tanzel Smart
    • 2020 - $780k (Cut > $740k Cap savings)
    • 2021 - Free Agent
  • Johnathan Franklin-Myers
    • 2020 - $770k (Cut > $540k Cap savings)
    • 2021 - $860k (Cut > $750k Cap savings)
    • 2022 - Free Agent (Possible Extension)
  • Greg Gaines
    • 2020-2022 - Rookie Contract
  • Sebastian Joseph-Day
    • 2020 - $700k (Cut > $620k Cap savings)
    • 2021 - $790k (Cut > $750k Cap savings)
    • 2022 - Free Agent 
  • Justin Lawler
    • 2020 - $680k (Cut > $640k Cap savings)
    • 2021 - $770k (Cut > $750k Cap savings)
    • 2022 - Free Agent 
  • Morgan Fox 
    • 2020 - Restricted Free Agent
  • Trevon Young
    • 2020 - $660k
    • 2021 - Restricted Free Agent

We all know that Donald is one of the cornerstones of this Franchise (along with Goff) but I was a bit surprised to see that we could actually get out of that deal relatively clean after the 2020 season. Obviously not unless something catastrophic happens, but not bad for a 6y $135m deal. We know two other starters (Brockers and Fowler) are are going to be free agents, and will be big holes to fill going forward. Lets hope JFM and Gaines are able to step in quickly along the line. And the rest of the depth guys are good to have at this point, but we arent locked into anyone there. Feels like we will need to bolster here pretty quickly in the next couple off seasons.

Linebackers

  • Clay Matthews
    • 2020 - $5.75m (Cut > $3.75m Cap savings)
    • 2021 - Free Agent
  • Cory Littleton
    • 2020 - Free Agent (Extension?)
  • Micah Kiser
    • 2020 - $730k (Cut > $420k Cap savings)
    • 2021 - $840k (Cut > $580k Cap savings)
    • 2022 - Free Agent 
  • Samson Ebukam
    • 2020 - $890k (Cut > $740k Cap savings)
    • 2021 - Free Agent
  • Ogbonnia Okoronkwo
    • 2020 - $730k (Cut > $590k Cap savings)
    • 2021 - $820k (Cut > $750k Cap savings)
    • 2022 - Free Agent 
  • Dakoda Allen
    • 2020-2022 - Rookie Contract
  • Natrez Patrick
    • 2020-2022 - Rookie Contract

Is Littleton worth an Extension? Im still not sure, this year will go a long way to deciding that. If a broken down Clay Matthews is effective, that tells me that we dont need to pay big money to Cory. Or possibly many's favorite Kiser could step up. One of this cluster of average-above average talent will likely emerge, but until proven otherwise, I dont think we need to be giving long term deals to ILBs for this defense, especially if they are often replaced by a Safety. And confirming what most of us thought, Clay's deal is alittle more than a faux 2 year, but we can move on if we have to. 

Cornerbacks

  • Marcus Peters
    • 2020 - Free Agent (Extension?)
  • Aquib Talib
    • 2020 - Free Agent 
  • Nickell Robey-Coleman
    • 2020 - $4.50m (Cut > $4.5m Cap savings)
    • 2021 - Free Agent
  • Troy Hill
    • 2020 - Free Agent
  • Dominique Hatfield
    • 2020 - Restricted Free Agent
  • Kevin Peterson
    • 2020 - Exclusive Rights Free Agent
    • 2021 - Restricted Free Agent
  • David Long
    • 2020-2022 - Rookie Contract

Ive said it elsewhere, but we could lose our Top 3 CBs this offseason (Top 4 depending where you think Troy Hill is) which is why getting a guy like David Long was huge. I actually would have been more comfortable if we could have gotten another solid CB out of this draft. Im not sure that Snead actually wants to give Peters long term #1 CB money. Just saying that out loud makes me a bit uneasy. Id rather have someone else make that mistake. And we will be lucky if Talib makes it though this season whole, much less sign him any further. And the potential cut would be NRC. We dont have to, hes not a ton of money, but none of it is guaranteed after this season, and if he under preforms, or we do decide to pay Peters, he could be a causality, especially if Long is ready to step right in.

Safety

  • John Johnson
    • 2020 - $960k (Cut > $770k Cap savings)
    • 2021 - Free Agent (Possible Extension)
  • Eric Weddle
    • 2020 - $4.75m (Cut > $4.25m Cap savings)
    • 2021 - Free Agent
  • Taylor Rapp
    • 2020-2022 - Rookie Contract
  • Nick Scott
    • 2020-2022 - Rookie Contract

Weddle is your typical old vet, one year deal disguised as a 2 year. So if he is washed we can get out easy, but I hope he is atleast worth the conversation before we cut him. unlike Peters, I feel Johnson is worth the Extension, but the Safety market is all over the place right now. So its hard to predict if we will be able to pull a fair dal off, or if he wants to go make money like Joyner did. But it is pretty obvious we will need to add some talent here, the only question is will that be an impact starter, or a project backup.

Specialists

  • Johnny Hekker
    • 2020 - $4.24Cut > $2.52m Cap savings)
    • 2021 - $4.49m (Cut > $3.51m Cap savings)
    • 2022 - $4.31m (Cut > $4.07m Cap savings)
  • Greg Zuerlein
    • 2020 - Free Agent (Likely Extension)
  • Jake McQuaide
    • 2020 - $980k (Cut > $980k Cap savings)
    • 2021 - Free Agent

Not a ton to talk about here, but we should keep this trio together as long as we possibly can. Now if someone self-destructs, then sure we can move on, but keeping any guaranteed money very low is the key with this group so we have the ability to change on the fly.

 

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Good work ! 

So we can cut any player in 2 or 3 years without any big damage on the cap. That's great !

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Posted (edited)

Troy Hill extended today. 2 years 8.25 million. 5.25 base with a 3 mil bonus for over 52.5% of snaps. Played 42% last  year and 24.8% year prior.

 

I don't like this one personally. Not for a 5th CB. Behind Talib, Peters, NRC and hopefully Long.

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2 hours ago, btfd16 said:

Troy Hill extended today. 2 years 8.25 million. 5.25 base with a 3 mil bonus for over 52.5% of snaps. Played 42% last  year and 24.8% year prior.

 

I don't like this one personally. Not for a 5th CB. Behind Talib, Peters, NRC and hopefully Long.

I disagree. We can never have enough corners. Do you not remember what happened to us in 2017 when literally the Rams were down to their URFA trying to cover Thielen in the Vikings game? Do you not remember last season when the Rams had both Peters and Talib get hurt in the same game. We thought Peters injury was season ending but he toughed it out and wasnt really the same for most of the season. Talib was out for months. So like I dont want the Rams to be in a situation where they are backed into a corner no pun intended. So the more cornerback depth the better. 

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19 hours ago, stl4life07 said:

I disagree. We can never have enough corners. Do you not remember what happened to us in 2017 when literally the Rams were down to their URFA trying to cover Thielen in the Vikings game? Do you not remember last season when the Rams had both Peters and Talib get hurt in the same game. We thought Peters injury was season ending but he toughed it out and wasnt really the same for most of the season. Talib was out for months. So like I dont want the Rams to be in a situation where they are backed into a corner no pun intended. So the more cornerback depth the better. 

None of what you said is what I said. I don't like the money for what he has done. 

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1 hour ago, btfd16 said:

None of what you said is what I said. I don't like the money for what he has done. 

The average corner makes about $2.2 million a year not sure how this is some major over pay. He’s a backup cb on a team that’s top three corners will be or are in the last year of their contacts by 2020. This make sure perfect sense and it’s obvious Wade likes him.

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With Wentz’s new deal today how much are we realistically going to give Goff? More than 100M guaranteed 

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1 hour ago, Car_Ramrod said:

With Wentz’s new deal today how much are we realistically going to give Goff? More than 100M guaranteed 

Wentz gave and the Eagles got an injury discount that we're not likely to get from Goff.  Some PFT writers are trying to run with the narrative that McVay believes that multiple QB's could run his system (this strikes me as a likely instance where someone is making a mountain out of a molehill of an excerpt of a quote) and that it doesn't have to be Goff.  But if that's not the case, I'll be truly shocked if we pay Goff any less than $35M/yr.  His extension is going to exceed Wilson's, the question of by how much is likely tied to the matter of who gets extended first between him and Dak.

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On 5/30/2019 at 3:55 PM, btfd16 said:

Troy Hill extended today. 2 years 8.25 million. 5.25 base with a 3 mil bonus for over 52.5% of snaps. Played 42% last  year and 24.8% year prior.

 

I don't like this one personally. Not for a 5th CB. Behind Talib, Peters, NRC and hopefully Long.

We had all of Long under contract after this season, IIRC.  We likely popped a shade of an "overpayment" in on the base (the bonus is not what I'd consider to be a LTBE considering it's tied to playing time and specifically snaps) in order to have a shorter contract term and less guarantees (i.e. making him less "cuttable" in the event he becomes superfluous).  This is far from a bad move unless you insist on only looking at the season in front of you.

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11 hours ago, The LBC said:

Wentz gave and the Eagles got an injury discount that we're not likely to get from Goff.  Some PFT writers are trying to run with the narrative that McVay believes that multiple QB's could run his system (this strikes me as a likely instance where someone is making a mountain out of a molehill of an excerpt of a quote) and that it doesn't have to be Goff.  But if that's not the case, I'll be truly shocked if we pay Goff any less than $35M/yr.  His extension is going to exceed Wilson's, the question of by how much is likely tied to the matter of who gets extended first between him and Dak.

I didnt really want to get into it with the masses in the General Forum, but when you actually look at this deal, its actually a 6 year with just over a $25m AAV. That is exactly the spot that I pegged for the floor of a new Goff deal. The $32m claim is just agent speak, and there is almost no way that Wentz sees the final year (year 4 or year 6 depending how you look at it) of this deal, because either he wont be worth it or he will be looking for a new deal. 

Honestly this doesnt make me feel any different about what to expect for Goff's new contract. The only thing that impacts that for me is another Super Bowl (or even NFC Championship) run that Jared is leading the team for (aka not repeat SB performances) Which is my point about the Highlighted part, he has to earn that, nothing he has done puts him anywhere near Russell Wilson Money. 

What will go up is the Guaranteed money, which is equally hard to swallow, but the total money will not explode for the upper-mid tier of QBs. While I think it was a fluke, Wentz still has an (partial) MVP caliber season in his pocket, which Goff never has.

I still think we will be giving Goff a 4 year, $122m extension added onto his 5th year option, which will be in total 5 years at ~$145m with like $110m guaranteed. Which by the way, would still allow us to get out of that final year almost completely free.

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2 hours ago, StLunatic88 said:

I didnt really want to get into it with the masses in the General Forum, but when you actually look at this deal, its actually a 6 year with just over a $25m AAV. That is exactly the spot that I pegged for the floor of a new Goff deal. The $32m claim is just agent speak, and there is almost no way that Wentz sees the final year (year 4 or year 6 depending how you look at it) of this deal, because either he wont be worth it or he will be looking for a new deal. 

Honestly this doesnt make me feel any different about what to expect for Goff's new contract. The only thing that impacts that for me is another Super Bowl (or even NFC Championship) run that Jared is leading the team for (aka not repeat SB performances) Which is my point about the Highlighted part, he has to earn that, nothing he has done puts him anywhere near Russell Wilson Money. 

What will go up is the Guaranteed money, which is equally hard to swallow, but the total money will not explode for the upper-mid tier of QBs. While I think it was a fluke, Wentz still has an (partial) MVP caliber season in his pocket, which Goff never has.

I still think we will be giving Goff a 4 year, $122m extension added onto his 5th year option, which will be in total 5 years at ~$145m with like $110m guaranteed. Which by the way, would still allow us to get out of that final year almost completely free.

Thing is, it's young franchise QB extension money, earned is secondary.  The amount is earned by not busting and by playing in the post-season.  Any position but QB and I'd agree with you, but just not QB.  It's a bit dated now, but Garoppolo got a record-breaking contract that paid him $27.5M annual for doing little more than holding Brady's jock.

Among the "mid-tier" guys too there are more than just Dak that are scheduled for extensions.  There's pretty damn good chance in my estimation that Rivers gets one (2-3 year) and his agent is Bus Cook, Cook doesn't give hometown discounts, so he's likely going to pull a market rate on his extension, further solidifying that upper-mid-tier money is going to be basically the same as top-tier money.  It just may not be elite-tier money.

Believe me, I'd love to have Jared at a cheaper rate, I'm just not confident in the market bearing that out.

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