fistfullofbeer Posted June 9, 2019 Share Posted June 9, 2019 5 hours ago, Golfman said: If he's 'eintrenched as a starter' our defense isn't going to be as good as I thought. Maybe they have already decided King is going to be injured? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfman Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 5 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said: It's OTAs. Nothing remotely close to a positional battle is locked in. I'm hoping he's the fifth CB at best behind: Alexander, King, Jackson and Brown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted June 10, 2019 Author Share Posted June 10, 2019 (edited) More on # 21 Natrell Jamerson practicing at Safety: Jamerson was an All-Big Ten pick at safety as a senior. While the New Orleans Saints drafted him to be a cornerback, and he eventually played in 10 games at cornerback for the Houston Texans in 2018, the safety position isn’t foreign to the former Badger. He also has a nice combination of speed (4.4) and size (5-11, 201). Keep an eye on Jamerson this summer. He figures to have the easier transition, given his history of playing both cornerback and safety. He was also a sure tackler and a standout special teams player at Wisconsin. Training camp could provide a real opportunity for Jamerson to nail down a roster spot as one of the Packers’ backup safeties. Jamerson played Safety for Coach Jim Leonard at WI and Leonard was a Safety in BAL and NYJ when Pettine was there Edited June 10, 2019 by Shanedorf 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted June 10, 2019 Author Share Posted June 10, 2019 More from PackersWire Rodgers also thinks LaFleur’s offense could be what helps Graham make a bigger impact in 2019. “The league’s about match-ups. I think that’s what I’m liking about this offense,” Rodgers said. “We’re constantly trying to find ways to get those guys in positive match-ups. Every play has a scheme or a motion or an adjustment that can get those guys to be the No. 1 or 2 in the progression. If you’re throwing the ball on time, that’s where it’s going to go. So more opportunities for Jimmy. Some of the stuff we’re doing gives him opportunities to get the ball in rhythm instead of relying on off-schedule or third or fourth read on the play.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathstar Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 19 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Because the number of 260 pound dudes who can cover anyone is basically zero. That's not what you train for. Oh so it’s not based on actually watching him play. Got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted June 10, 2019 Author Share Posted June 10, 2019 1 hour ago, deathstar said: Oh so it’s not based on actually watching him play. Got it. Its more of a general statement, but its also true. That's why OC's go through all of the flips and twists with formation & motion to isolate the big guys in coverage. You don't want to make a habit of having Preston Smith in coverage, but in order to coordinate a defense, you have to accept that it will happen from time to time and prepare accordingly. The offense is trying to ascertain the defensive "rules" and take advantage of them and vice versa.If we do this... then they do that. That's why Pettine wants to change things up all the time so the offense can't predict his response with certainty The cat & mouse on every play is all about getting favorable match-ups and both OC/DC are exceedingly good at it. Sometimes you get the bear, sometimes the bear gets you Dropping P. Smith into a short zone is one thing, running a seam with a TE/RB is a whole 'nother level and those OLBs really aren't built for it. They are built to take on 310lb OTs. So they're in a trail position and praying the Safety can come over and help. But its gonna happen in a game and offseason is the time to work on it. Suggesting Smith should never do it ignores football reality, just as suggesting he's good at it ignores another reality. Its merely making the best of a difficult situation and situational football is what its all about on Sundays. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathstar Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 4 minutes ago, Shanedorf said: Its more of a general statement, but its also true. That's why OC's go through all of the flips and twists with formation & motion to isolate the big guys in coverage. You don't want to make a habit of having Preston Smith in coverage, but in order to coordinate a defense, you have to accept that it will happen from time to time and prepare accordingly. The offense is trying to ascertain the defensive "rules" and take advantage of them and vice versa.If we do this... then they do that. That's why Pettine wants to change things up all the time so the offense can't predict his response with certainty The cat & mouse on every play is all about getting favorable match-ups and both OC/DC are exceedingly good at it. Sometimes you get the bear, sometimes the bear gets you Dropping P. Smith into a short zone is one thing, running a seam with a TE/RB is a whole 'nother level and those OLBs really aren't built for it. They are built to take on 310lb OTs. So they're in a trail position and praying the Safety can come over and help. But its gonna happen in a game and offseason is the time to work on it. Suggesting Smith should never do it ignores football reality, just as suggesting he's good at it ignores another reality. Its merely making the best of a difficult situation and situational football is what its all about on Sundays. All of what you said is understood, but there’s plenty of evidence out there to suggest coverage is actually a part of Smith’s game. https://redskinswire.usatoday.com/2018/08/04/preston-smith-better-advertised-coverage/ That has stats for him in 2017, here’s his stats in 2018: Additionally the suggestion they don’t train for it is absurd - because what prompted this discussion was a tweet about them training for it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snackattack Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, deathstar said: Oh so it’s not based on actually watching him play. Got it. i've never seen jaire alexander bull rush a left tackle successfully, but i'm going to assume and talk like he can't do it. you sir, either believe smith can cover or you don't. if you don't, then you are arguing just to argue and are the bane of rational posters, so i'm going to assume you think he can cover. if you think he can cover, then you should probably provide examples to counter AG20's logical assumption that he can't cover. edit: your second post was a better post. Edited June 10, 2019 by snackattack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Shanedorf Posted June 10, 2019 Author Share Posted June 10, 2019 From PackersWire, more on Kenny Clark Green Bay Packers defensive lineman Kenny Clark can be safely considered one of the NFL’s elite defensive players. Clark, the Packers’ fourth-year interior disruptor, ranked No. 37 on Pro Football Focus’ top 50 players list entering the 2019 season. (Clark comes in just ahead of Derwin James and Russel Wilson) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 23 hours ago, fistfullofbeer said: Maybe they have already decided King is going to be injured? Pretty sure we have another CB who's better than Tramon at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBobGray Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 There's no positional battles in June. Tramon's with the starters because King has been out with injuries. They got settled in that rotation so they'll stick with it. It doesn't matter in the slightest. That being said, Tramon is still a far better corner than people give him credit for. He still looks like an NFL starter and he can still make plays, he just has limitations against top talent. There's worse CB2s out there, much less CB3/4 where he'll probably end up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantyWrestler Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 18 hours ago, snackattack said: i've never seen jaire alexander bull rush a left tackle successfully, but i'm going to assume and talk like he can't do it. you sir, either believe smith can cover or you don't. if you don't, then you are arguing just to argue and are the bane of rational posters, so i'm going to assume you think he can cover. if you think he can cover, then you should probably provide examples to counter AG20's logical assumption that he can't cover. edit: your second post was a better post. Actually AG should prove he can’t. The Packers HAD him in coverage in the workout on Graham. If I remember correctly it stated it was a perfect pass. Most of those are completed against anyone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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