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NFC West is interesting. Looks like an overall mediocre division but it's an average of extremes. Each team has made a SB and each has had some really poor seasons, as if they are all on regular rotating deals with the devil.

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2 hours ago, childofpudding said:

NFC West is interesting. Looks like an overall mediocre division but it's an average of extremes. Each team has made a SB and each has had some really poor seasons, as if they are all on regular rotating deals with the devil.

The most consistent team in this division was the Seahawks.Outside of them, the 3 other teams have had very some mediocre season (his 3 teams all had the first overall pick with their own pick at least once) and they were in the Super Bowl at least once too.

The NFC West was horrible in the 2000s (until 2010) but since 2012, this division has for the most part always had at least 2 very good team.

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On 5/25/2019 at 6:57 AM, SBLIII said:

Their win % out of the division is actually surprisingly competent.

The AFC East powering Brady is one of those lies that becomes truth to people who can't be bothered to think for themselves.

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DC at #27 is amazing. 

In the 20 years before that they won 3 Super Bowls and 16 playoff games.

Eagles, Cowboys, and Giants fans love Dan Snyder.

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12 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

The AFC East powering Brady is one of those lies that becomes truth to people who can't be bothered to think for themselves.

The problem with the Jets, Bills and Dolphins is that his teams have always been mediocre, like often between 5 to 8 wins with a very mediocre point differentials and sometimes when they have a winning record, his teams are unable to repeat it the year after (the last team to have had 2 winning seasons in a row in this division outside of the Pats was the Jets in 2009 and 2010), so even when their teams have good seasons, it was a fluke and that was often because they had an easy schedule or they were lucky in the one score game.

His teams have almost never been awful (3 wins or less) but they have always been very mediocre.

Of course the success of the Pats is not only because of their division, but they rarely had a huge challenge in their division as a team like the Seahawks between 2012 to 2015 when they were a true Super Bowl contender.

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So we pretend the Seahawks did not win the division at 7-9?

  • The Giants and Bucs both stayed home at 10-6 that year
  • The Seahawks also made the playoffs at 9-7 three times in the last 20 years.
  • Nobody had an easier path than the Seahawks
    • The Jets, Bills, and Dolphins have combined for 21 winning seasons in the last 20 years.

    • The 49ers, Cardinals, and Rams have combined for 16 winning seasons the last 20 years.

The Patriots had 5 seasons between 9 and 11 wins and made the playoffs 3 times. (60%)

The Seahawks had 11 seasons of between 9 and 11 wins and made the playoffs 9 times. (82%)

When you go 13-3 or better, its not your division that helps.

  • The Patriots have done this seven times while the Seahawks have done this twice.

 

How about the Jets being in a pair of AFCCGs or actually beating Brady in 1 of his 7 AFC playoffs losses?

How about the year the Dolphins, Patriots, and Jets all won 10+ games in 2001 before Manning was scooped out of the division and nestled in garbage competition?

How about the years the Patriots missed the playoffs at 9-7 and 11-5?

  • The Chargers made the playoffs at 8-8 in 2008 but the 11-5 Patriots had an easy division?

 

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1 minute ago, SkippyX said:

So we pretend the Seahawks did not win the division at 7-9?

  • The Giants and Bucs both stayed home at 10-6 that year
  • The Seahawks also made the playoffs at 9-7 three times in the last 20 years.
  • Nobody had an easier path than the Seahawks
    • The Jets, Bills, and Dolphins have combined for 21 winning seasons in the last 20 years.

    • The 49ers, Cardinals, and Rams have combined for 16 winning seasons the last 20 years.

The Patriots had 5 seasons between 9 and 11 wins and made the playoffs 3 times. (60%)

The Seahawks had 11 seasons of between 9 and 11 wins and made the playoffs 9 times. (82%)

When you go 13-3 or better, its not your division that helps.

The Patriots have done this seven times while the Seahawks have done this twice.

 

How about the Jets being in a pair of AFCCGs or actually beating Brady in 1 of his 7 AFC playoffs losses?

How about the year the Dolphins, Patriots, and Jets all won 10+ games in 2001 before Manning was scooped out of the division and nestled in garbage competition?

How about the years the Patriots missed the playoffs at 9-7 and 11-5?

  • The Chargers made the playoffs at 8-8 in 2008 but the 11-5 Patriots had an easy division?

 

I did say from 2012 to 2015 for the Seahawks, when they were a true Super Bowl contender.For several years in the 2000s until 2010, the NFC west was garbage and a laughing stock, but that's not the case since 2012

Outside the first few years of the Jets under Rex Ryan, no other team in this division has been a threat to win the Super Bowl in the last 15 years ... I also believe no team in the AFC East outside the Pats have had 2 winning season in a row during this period.

Yeah, sometimes there have been years with worse divisions than in the AFC East and it was not the same divisions who was bad year after year,but the AFC East have been in the bottom 3 of the NFL almost every year for a very long time.

 

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26 minutes ago, Steelersfan43 said:

I did say from 2012 to 2015 for the Seahawks, when they were a true Super Bowl contender.For several years in the 2000s until 2010, the NFC west was garbage and a laughing stock, but that's not the case since 2012

Outside the first few years of the Jets under Rex Ryan, no other team in this division has been a threat to win the Super Bowl in the last 15 years ... I also believe no team in the AFC East outside the Pats have had 2 winning season in a row during this period.

Yeah, sometimes there have been years with worse divisions than in the AFC East and it was not the same divisions who was bad year after year,but the AFC East have been in the bottom 3 of the NFL almost every year for a very long time.

 

Unless you are Randall Cunningham 1985-1995 in Philly (7 NFC East Super Bowls in 11 years), no division has a threats to win the Super Bowl every year.

  • (We are obviously excluding the exceptional team being compared to the Patriots like the 80s-90s 49ers, or the Favre/Rodgers Packers)

And who cares if they are, you get seeded in the playoffs based on record, not division.

Your division matters for 2 reasons.

  • Can we have a better record than the other 3 teams.
  • Can we get those 4 to 6 wins when we need them to help us to a wildcard.
  • what those teams then do in the playoffs does not matter unless they play against you
  • Sure, 2013 Seahawks-49ers rivalry was epic but 4 Kaep turnovers sure did not hurt in the NFCCG

When a team goes 14-2, they kill everyone so the teams in division don't matter.

If you can win the division at 7-9, 8-8, 9-7, or 10-6 then the bad competition in division helped you.

If you can get 5 or 6 division wins and pull off a wildcard then great.

 

The Patriots have made the playoffs at 10-6 exactly 2x in the last 20 years. (never at 7-9, 8-8, or 9-7)

  • They went 5-1 and 4-2 in division those years and went 1-2 in the playoffs and did not play in any of their 13 AFCCGs
  • So the only thing even closely resembling a divisional advantage for an otherwise not already great team got them 1 of Brady's 30 playoff wins, wow!

They have never taken advantage of a soft division to get a wildcard in these 20 years.

If you want to hang an Indy Colts style banner in your house saying that that 3 or 4 of Brady's 237 wins are * for weak division then knock yourself out!

They are just an incredible dynasty, their division has almost nothing to do with it.

 

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5 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

Unless you are Randall Cunningham 1985-1995 in Philly (7 NFC East Super Bowls in 11 years), no division has a threats to win the Super Bowl every year.

  • (We are obviously excluding the exceptional team being compared to the Patriots like the 80s-90s 49ers, or the Favre/Rodgers Packers)

And who cares if they are, you get seeded in the playoffs based on record, not division.

Your division matters for 2 reasons.

  • Can we have a better record than the other 3 teams.
  • Can we get those 4 to 6 wins when we need them to help us to a wildcard.
  • what those teams then do in the playoffs does not matter unless they play against you
  • Sure, 2013 Seahawks-49ers rivalry was epic but 4 Kaep turnovers sure did not hurt in the NFCCG

When a team goes 14-2, they kill everyone so the teams in division don't matter.

If you can win the division at 7-9, 8-8, 9-7, or 10-6 then the bad competition in division helped you.

If you can get 5 or 6 division wins and pull off a wildcard then great.

 

The Patriots have made the playoffs at 10-6 exactly 2x in the last 20 years. (never at 7-9, 8-8, or 9-7)

  • They went 5-1 and 4-2 in division those years and went 1-2 in the playoffs and did not play in any of their 13 AFCCGs
  • So the only thing even closely resembling a divisional advantage for an otherwise not already great team got them 1 of Brady's 30 playoff wins, wow!

They have never taken advantage of a soft division to get a wildcard in these 20 years.

If you want to hang an Indy Colts style banner in your house saying that that 3 or 4 of Brady's 237 wins are * for weak division then knock yourself out!

They are just an incredible dynasty, their division has almost nothing to do with it.

 

 

I do not take anything the Patriots have done in the last 20 years and they have been successful against everyone, but the other 3 AFC East Teams were still very mediocre for most of the time.

And yes, you can be a threat to win a super bowl for several years with the same core.Like the Seahawks (2012 to 2015), Ravens (2008 to 2012), Steelers (2004 to 2010), 49ers (2011 to 2013) and many others.

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Considering how bad to average the Seahawks have been for the majority of the past 20 years and how quickly they ascended to arguably the best team in the NFL for 3-4 straight years, it's amazing to me how far up they are on that list. The turnaround that Carroll and Schneider created there is simply amazing.

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Its fair to say that the Ravens and Steelers have been beating each other's brains in during division games for close to 20 years.

(and cleaning up on Ohio teams)

Brady is 8-3 against the Steelers (3-0 in the playoffs) and 6-1 against the Ravens (2-2) in the playoffs.

He cleary destroys them in the regular season so pretending they would go 2-0 or even 1-1 against him on a regular basis is goofy.

 

The only way the Patriots get worse is if you keep Miami for the heat, add Denver for the altitude, and throw in a team like Seattle/Philly/Green Bay as their 3rd division rival.

Otherwise you are talking about 3 to 5 less wins in 120 division games over those 20 years.

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33 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said:

Considering how bad to average the Seahawks have been for the majority of the past 20 years and how quickly they ascended to arguably the best team in the NFL for 3-4 straight years, it's amazing to me how far up they are on that list. The turnaround that Carroll and Schneider created there is simply amazing.

Paul FREAKING Allen

20 Years Before => 4 playoff Appearances, 1 Division Title

20+ After => 13 playoff Appearances,   3 Super Bowl Appearances (1 win), 9 Division Titles

Seattle is an ELITE franchise in the new millennium. 

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10 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

Its fair to say that the Ravens and Steelers have been beating each other's brains in during division games for close to 20 years.

(and cleaning up on Ohio teams)

Brady is 8-3 against the Steelers (3-0 in the playoffs) and 6-1 against the Ravens (2-2) in the playoffs.

He cleary destroys them in the regular season so pretending they would go 2-0 or even 1-1 against him on a regular basis is goofy.

 

The only way the Patriots get worse is if you keep Miami for the heat, add Denver for the altitude, and throw in a team like Seattle/Philly/Green Bay as their 3rd division rival.

Otherwise you are talking about 3 to 5 less wins in 120 division games over those 20 years.

Again, I said nothing against the Pats ... I just said that the other 3 teams in the AFC East have been mediocre for most of the time.It's not hard to understand!

And for the Ravens, when they were a true contender (2008 to 2012) it was always hard for the Pats to win against them.I mean, they played 6 games between them during this period including the playoffs and both teams were 3-3 during his matchups.The Ravens had the lead at one point in the 4th quarter in 5 of his games.And 5 of his games were in New England!

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On 5/25/2019 at 4:37 AM, Hunter2_1 said:

Only 1 AFC East team in the bottom 10. I'm surprised.

It would be better if it wasn't for NE so thanks for that.

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2 hours ago, Steelersfan43 said:

I did say from 2012 to 2015 for the Seahawks, when they were a true Super Bowl contender.For several years in the 2000s until 2010, the NFC west was garbage and a laughing stock, but that's not the case since 2012

Outside the first few years of the Jets under Rex Ryan, no other team in this division has been a threat to win the Super Bowl in the last 15 years ... I also believe no team in the AFC East outside the Pats have had 2 winning season in a row during this period.

Yeah, sometimes there have been years with worse divisions than in the AFC East and it was not the same divisions who was bad year after year,but the AFC East have been in the bottom 3 of the NFL almost every year for a very long time.

 

Jets had 3 in a row: 9-7 in 2008, 9-7 in 2009, 11-5 in 2010.

Dolphins were also 11-5 in 2001, 9-7 in 2002, 10-6 in 2003.

Jets were 10-6 in 2001 and 9-7 in 2002.

I don't think anyone claims that the AFC East is a really tough division outside the Pats, the problem is that by any metric imaginable the Pats are just far and away better than any other team in the NFL the last 20 years.

The AFC East was actually a very tough division in the early 2000's when the Pats won the first 3. The AFC in general was a bloodbath between the Pats, Steelers, Ravens, Colts and Chargers.

In 2014 the Bills were an elite defense and nearly made the playoffs. Dolphins were a competent team too. They went 12-4 overall and only 4-2 in the division that year. 

In 2016 they went 14-2 with Brady missing 4 games. Dolphins made playoffs as a wild card. I don't think any division was going to keep this Patriots team from making the SB, 2016 was a pretty down year for the entire NFL as a whole.

2018 they went 11-5 and yes the AFC East was very bad. But they went 7-0 against playoff teams and were forced to go on the road and win against a very tough KC team. Not sure if they necessarily capitalized on a weak division when it didn't even get them HFA.

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