BayRaider Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 20 minutes ago, G said: Then force the trade up giving Detroit 12/19/91 two weeks before the draft for #3 I guess we can cry in our beers because we got Chase Young...If we didn't, one of your QB's fell in our lap. Either way we could 'shake things up' and imagine if we did trade up and both QB's fell and calls started flowing in from every team offering 1sts in 2020 and 2021. Maybe they suck with a rookie QB and we get the #1 in 2021...Profit...LOL We could bring Andrew Walter back to lock in 0-16. I think even JaWalrus wins 1 game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gannon12 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 minute ago, BayRaider said: We could bring Andrew Walter back to lock in 0-16. I think even JaWalrus wins 1 game. No no no...... We need the official tank warrior Curtis “Guaranteed #1 pick” Painter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, Gannon12 said: No no no...... We need the official tank warrior Curtis “Guaranteed #1 pick” Painter Why are we upgrading from Carr to tank? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gannon12 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 minute ago, BayRaider said: Why are we upgrading from Carr to tank? 🤣 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 37 minutes ago, BayRaider said: We could bring Andrew Walter back to lock in 0-16. I think even JaWalrus wins 1 game. You are NOT suppose to fill in the missing 2nd part. Just 'and' PROFIT...Jeff George should do... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 I’m starting to see Love in the Top 20 in 35-40% of mocks. It’s starting.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chali21 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 8 hours ago, BayRaider said: Burrow/Tua/Lawrence are absolute rarity’s. All three + Wentz are in my Top 4 QB prospects since 2013. You can’t just rely on someone coming out of no where. That does not happen often despite what you think. Burrow just had the best college season of all time... that’s an absolute rarity. I’m not counting on drafting a Burrow. What I’m saying is every year some one props up a guy as a FOMO prospect and literally the next year another guy comes out. No one was talking about Trubsiki in 2016 but he went #3 in 2017. No one was talking about Mayfield in 2017, in 2018 he gets taken #1. No one was talking Murray in 2018, in 2019 he goes #1 overall. Not a single person was talking about Burrow a year ago and now he’s going #1. It happens all the time. Now understand that Im not saying all of these guys are good obviously some aren’t. What I am saying is that only projecting a certain amount of prospects next year is foolish because there will be some surprises. Guys breakout every year in college which will drastically change the draft landscape. The Roster needs to be better that will make this team good in the long run. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chali21 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 11 hours ago, Mr Raider said: Is that for sure the case though? In the recent past we have seen guys like Mahomes, Watson, Jimmy G, Lamar Jackson, Russell Wilson, Dak, Tannehill, Bridgewater go in that 10-12 range where we currently sit to the second or third round in some cases... I'm not sure its as cut and dry that those true franchise guys are only found in the top 5 anymore like it was a decade or go. Sure there are still some examples of those guys obviously, but there are a number of guys that are franchise, and even MVP caliber guys in the range we're at now that it might make sense to stay put and take a guy there, or even trade down and acquire picks and target a guy we think has long term ability to be the next one of those guys and let them sit for a year behind Carr... I still think Carr can be the guy, but I'm no longer against taking a QB that Gruden and Mayock think gives us the ability at elite QB play, but I still don't think trading up is the right play. Edit - I think what's even more important than the draft position where you get these guys is putting them in the best position to succeed. A lot of guys drafted outside of the top 5 weren't neccesarily considered the blue chip, can't miss prospects those top 5 picks were but went on to have more success and better careers because they went to a more stable situation where they could sit and develop for a stretch, or stepped into a team that had a better supporting cast around them from their teammates to coaches. I think there's a chance with our current foundation, free agent money, and other draft picks that we could take a guy that falls to 12 or even in the second round (say a Herbert, Hurts, Love, or Fromm) and they have more success than Tua... Not because they're better talents, but because we have built a better, more stable situation where they wouldn't have to be rushed onto the field week 1 if they weren't ready, and because they have better talent and coaching around them than Tua or ends up going higher and into a worse situation overall (injury concerns to boot), and the extra ammo needed to trade up for him could play a factor in that better situation. This guy gets it. This isn’t the only time the Raiders will be able to get a QB but this will be one of the few times they can get talent at position of need. If they miss the plays they certainly can trade up like the Rams and Eagles have done. Both decisions have worked out for them as they’ve both appeared in Super Bowls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragingraider Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 18 hours ago, NYRaider said: Raiders receive: #1 pick Bengals receive: #12, #19, #80, #91, and 2021 1st DO IT!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ragingraider Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 If you're gonna trade up it has to be for Burrow not Tua. Tua is not a sure thing and you will have to give up nearly as much to get him. To get to #1 we would probably need to give up 2020-12,19, 80 2021-1 round, 2 round 2022-2nd rounder and Carr. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totty Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 hour ago, ragingraider said: If you're gonna trade up it has to be for Burrow not Tua. Tua is not a sure thing and you will have to give up nearly as much to get him. To get to #1 we would probably need to give up 2020-12,19, 80 2021-1 round, 2 round 2022-2nd rounder and Carr. I believe that only Burrow would be an upgrade at the QB position, eventually. I am not above replacing Carr if this is the case. Problem is, you have only improved the roster in one spot. Draft capital is dry for the foreseeable future. What happens when Burrow isn't the guy we think he can be because his supporting cast sucks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
true2form Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Totty said: I believe that only Burrow would be an upgrade at the QB position, eventually. I am not above replacing Carr if this is the case. Problem is, you have only improved the roster in one spot. Draft capital is dry for the foreseeable future. What happens when Burrow isn't the guy we think he can be because his supporting cast sucks? Well he'll be elite and elevate everyone around him for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Totty Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 51 minutes ago, true2form said: Well he'll be elite and elevate everyone around him for sure! So he's transcendent? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gannon12 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 15 minutes ago, Totty said: So he's transcendent? The second coming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agarcia34 Posted January 15, 2020 Share Posted January 15, 2020 Matt Miller put Jordan love in his top 15 in him mock draft. 13 to the Colts one step closer to number 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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