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23 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

As Chris Simms said when you're targeting a WR in the first round, it's a little worriesome when they don't have elite physical traits. Lamb and Jeudy are both very average from a physical profile standpoint. 

I disagree that we don't have someone that would be getting open as a result. Waller had 117 targets last season and that number should only grow as he grows into the position and we add more pieces around him (thus taking defensive attention off of him). Williams averaged 6 targets per game and was on pace for 90 targets during the first 5 weeks (pre injury) and had 1,000+ yards the only season he got 100+ targets in his career. Carr and Renfrow clearly started to build their chemistry as the year went on and he averaged roughly 7 targets per game over the last 6 weeks which would project to 109 targets over the course of a 16 game season. 

Nice post and good points.  My issue with Ruggs in reference to elite traits is players with speed as their sole elite traits often fail.  

I understand your Point and it’s definitely valid.  I understand why you feel that way. 

I think Ruggs would be a good WR for us, nonetheless I still feel Lamb would be a better WR for us.

thank you for taking the time to answers my questions in detail too, much appreciated!

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6 minutes ago, jimkelly02 said:

Yes Waller is a high volume target target and will absolutely increase as he gets Lee experience.  I should have specifically said high volume Target on the outside.  Waller tends to work short and intermediate routes.  Renfrow gets similiar targets.

thats why I think we need someone to produce more on the outside.  We can’t clog the middle of the field.

Tyrell Williams has ranked in the top 15 in YPC during the last three seasons. He had 1,000+ yards the only year that he had 100+ targets and before he got hurt this year he was on pace for 90 targets and 982 yards. 

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3 hours ago, Frankie2Gunz said:

How would you feel about Kinlaw at 12 and Chassion at 19?  Or what about skipping a WR in the 1st (great WR value in this draft) and drafting Chassion at 12?  Does he pose good value there?  No one is talking about him and he appears to be a highly ranked edge rusher.

This is an interesting scenario, i love Kinlaw and really like Brown so I wouldn't be adverse to taking either at 12. I have Lamb on my 'big board' higher so Id take him even if Brown fell. If Lamb is gone then Id have no issue taking Kinlaw at 12 as i feel he will be great. To double down and take another DL in the first he'd have to be a 3 down type player for me and i just dont think Chaisson holds the edge and is strong enough at the PoA to be more than a pass rush specialist in our system and in that case the production is a question mark for me. I could live with it but Id rather a CB even if it is a little reach.

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22 hours ago, MrOaktown_56 said:

Yep. Playmaker. If he had prototypical HWS who knows he could be pushing for the 1st round...

He only measured in at 5'8" and he hasn't been able to run a 40 to dispel doubts about his long speed so can you see him dropping to the 4th or even 5th rounds? I really like him the more i watch.......

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20 hours ago, Devilshark69 said:

thanks for coming off at me like the super genious again, never said I liked the idea (capology 101 says its a bad idea first off.lol). I know how low of a priority it is thanks, ive posted at least twice about how the position will get pushed down and devalued by gm`s across the board due to depth and overall positional value so you don't need to "tell" me a damn F*cking thing. all I was saying is that you talk about posters like theyre dullards (wont use the other word outta respect to SB) or 3rd graders in your world of PHD`s. (are you picking up on my sarcasm wiley cuz im laying it down DOUBLE thick.lmao!) H*ll , im not even the first to mention this, guess me and JK will have to be part of the Big Palooka Cult! you`re sh*tting on a new posters ideas and when you get called out for it by 2 different members you what? you flippin insult my intelligence with your comeback and fail miserably to even get the point....oh that's right, you kind of did by giving your permission for them to have their opinion....how magnanimous of you wiley! and now...back to our regularly scheduled program.lmfao!!

Wil E Coyote...SUPER GENIUS...  LOL

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So you guys see Chris Simms rankings for WRs?

5. Tee Higgins

4. KJ Hamler

3. Henry Ruggs III

2. Justin Jefferson

1. CeeDee Lamb

No Jeudy. His argument is you either have be very athletic to be a 1st Round WR or a complete dog, and claims Jeudy is neither. 
 

I still have Jeudy as my WR1 but he brings up an interesting point. 
 

I’m trying to warm up to Ruggs at WR1. He’s super athletic, super fast, a total dog and very physical (this seems to not get noticed much, but he’s a pure dog), and he has a pretty well-rounded game. Will he ever have CeeDees contested catch ability or Jeudy’s smoothness running routes? Probably not, but he’s not bad at all at either of those things. 

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10 hours ago, oakdb36 said:

Don't expect trade options for 19 either. What Gil Brandt said about the 1st tier ending at 16 players is pretty accurate, meaning after those 16, teams' boards are going to look very different and there won't be much desire to trade up for anyone. It's well reflected in this forum where every prospect brought up is deemed a reach at 19 for the simple fact that it's the 2nd tier territory in which a bunch of prospects running through the 2nd round range are really close. In the end, you still got to pick someone and probably at 19 since trading won't be easy.

Excellent post, I totally agree. We all seem to want a trade down but i guess some of the teams round us would love that too but its hard to see who a team would trade up for that is worth it over guys in the second round. 

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Thought about Zach Baun being in play at 19 like someone else mentioned. That's intriguing to me because I think he'd potentially be our SLB  while rushing on 3rd downs. I know Guenther doesn't really use that role in his scheme, but I wonder if it's because he hasn't a player with that skill set before.

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2 hours ago, NYRaider said:

Ruggs value won't be just his production though, it'll be his ability to open up looks for the rest of the offense with his speed. Plus I'm sure we'd get creative with how we use Ruggs and get the ball into his hands in a variety of ways. 

I'm not using pick 12 for a decoy personally. I want a WR who I can say this is that dude on offense and will take a game over when the time comes.

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1 minute ago, big_palooka said:

I'm not using pick 12 for a decoy personally. I want a WR who I can say this is that dude on offense and will take a game over when the time comes.

I still think that people are underrating Ruggs ability as a receiver. He has freakishly large hands, only dropped 1/123 targets the last two seasons, averaged 10.5 YAC last season (2nd best in the class), and scored 25 TD's on 109 career touches at Alabama. 

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1 hour ago, jimkelly02 said:

Nice post and good points.  My issue with Ruggs in reference to elite traits is players with speed as their sole elite traits often fail.  

I understand your Point and it’s definitely valid.  I understand why you feel that way. 

I think Ruggs would be a good WR for us, nonetheless I still feel Lamb would be a better WR for us.

thank you for taking the time to answers my questions in detail too, much appreciated!

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2020/3/31/21198008/henry-ruggs-iii-nfl-draft-2020-speed-wide-receiver-class-highlights-strengths

I've seen people say they want Lamb because he's a YAC monster. Lamb averaged 11.0 YAC last season while Ruggs averaged 10.5 YAC. 

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At 12 seems likely of:

-Jerry Jeudy

-Henry Ruggs III

-CeeDee Lamb 

- A Trade Down

- Surprise faller of Derrick Brown, Jeffrey Okudah, or Isaiah Simmons

- A wildcard selection of Jordan Love or Justin Herbert (not likely, but possible) 
 

12 seems like a pretty straight forward pick, and likely a WR. 
 

19 is where it gets interesting though. 
 

These are the three players mocked to us in 98% of Mock Drafts:

- CB Kristian Fulton

- S Grant Delpit

- LB Kenneth Murray

However, I really don’t think we pick Fulton or Murray. I don’t see Fulton as a scheme fit + I think Fulton has been overrated by the Media Rankings (opinion). 
 

I think the real pick at 19 is between all these guys:

CB Jaylon Johnson

CB AJ Terrell

DT Ross Blacklock

S Grant Delpit

EDGE Yetur Gross-Matos

EDGE K’Lavon Chaisson

EDGE (for us SLB) Zack Baun

LB Patrick Queen

WR Justin Jefferson or Denzel Mims (only if WR isn’t taken at 12)

So those are the ten players I’m expecting at 19. Could be any of them honestly. 
 

@Frankie2Gunz brings up a good point the pick could still be a EDGE guy like Chaisson or Gross-Matos. You can never have enough EDGE guys and either one of them at 19 is excellent value. I’d be on board with it personally, though you’d have like 75% of the fanbase whine that we have Ferrell/Crosby (who are far from polished prospects). 

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1 hour ago, SBXISBXVSBXVIII said:

Faces only a mother could love

That’s right! Lmao! Hey , wait a minute I resemble that.lol still fell outta the chair laughing. Tiger caught a lotta sh#t for being a close up star.... while he was still a prospect, they said it was because he was the prettiest! Lmao! Fun times I miss....politics etc? Not so much.

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9 minutes ago, NYRaider said:

I still think that people are underrating Ruggs ability as a receiver. He has freakishly large hands, only dropped 1/123 targets the last two seasons, averaged 10.5 YAC last season (2nd best in the class), and scored 25 TD's on 109 career touches at Alabama. 

Very good points. Ruggs could be a true WR1. People also underestimate him as a jump-ball aggressive receiver. He can certainly do that. He also apparently runs the most diverse route tree in the entire draft. 

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