Mind Character Posted June 14, 2019 Share Posted June 14, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Kiwibrown said: I am for what Duke has done, but I am also for what the browns have done, both parties are acting within their rights in a reasonable fashion. Couldn't be said any better imo ... Edited June 14, 2019 by Mind Character 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceb Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 Skipping past all RB drama this is nice to know: https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2019/06/16/the-browns-are-loaded-with-elusive-running-backs/ No idea what it means, but it sounds good. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candyman93 Posted June 17, 2019 Share Posted June 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, bruceb said: Skipping past all RB drama this is nice to know: https://brownswire.usatoday.com/2019/06/16/the-browns-are-loaded-with-elusive-running-backs/ No idea what it means, but it sounds good. Makes sense. It’s why I thought we would have really liked David Montgomery. https://mobile.twitter.com/PFF_College/status/1097212338216812545 It’s a tackling sport. Quote Three of the top four running backs in PFF’s elusiveness ratings in 2018 now play for the Browns, led by Nick Chubb and his NFL-best 103.3 score. Duke Johnson checks in at second on the list, while newcomer Kareem Hunt finished fourth in 2018. Edited June 17, 2019 by candyman93 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownLeader Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 (edited) On 6/14/2019 at 3:24 AM, Mind Character said: Despite what anyone thinks per se, what real reasons exactly does Duke have to believe he himself is just a limited role player? For one, he entered the league as the most productive ball-carrier all time leader in Miami's storied school history and came out his junior year after an electric season 2nd only to Willis McGahee's magical junior year. He then played on a roster full of incompetent QB play and slappy street free agents during the golden "Bryce Treggs-Austin Paztor-Cam Erving Era" still producing at a top 5 pass catching back level with one year him being a top 3 pass catching back despite limited touches. He's averaged 70 carries or less going as low as 40 but has been productive ypc-wise so it's likely he believes in his ability. He doesn't really have many reasons imo to believe that he can't make a bigger impact or being a leading back even if our assessment is different. NFL biz is NFL biz. It's fine that the Browns wanted to trade Duke, and to me it's fine that Duke wanted to honor those wishes for his trade. I'm sure many players believe they're the best out there, but I think someone in their employ has got to be objective and give them perspective. Great record setting college career but he was just a mid 3rd round prospect. He's averaged just 75 carries a season for his career despite not missing any games...that's less than 5 carries a game for four seasons. And he's got a pretty high fumble rate on those limited carries. Good stats as a pass catching back, but for his first 3 seasons it was on a team that averaged just over 1 win a season. And as you said much of it was on poor passing teams. That makes his catching stats less relevant imo, not something to tout...the outlet RB is the easiest option for a bad offense. His most wins actually came when he was used the least...last season. He's had four pretty good coordinators and none of them thought he was a lead type guy. In fact his usage has diminished every year. Edited June 28, 2019 by BrownLeader 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceb Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Don't know whether this has been posted but damn I love Jake Burns and do not give a rat's butt about Johnson: https://expo.cleveland.com/sports/g66l-2019/06/f9f32428ca9834/what-role-can-dontrell-hilliard-make-his-own-in-the-cleveland-browns-2019-offense.html 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 1 hour ago, bruceb said: Don't know whether this has been posted but damn I love Jake Burns and do not give a rat's butt about Johnson: https://expo.cleveland.com/sports/g66l-2019/06/f9f32428ca9834/what-role-can-dontrell-hilliard-make-his-own-in-the-cleveland-browns-2019-offense.html Jake Burns is one of the better hires the PD has made in years. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ditchdigger Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 2 hours ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Jake Burns is one of the better hires the PD has made in years. Best person on the beat, IMO. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceb Posted June 30, 2019 Share Posted June 30, 2019 His reads, based on exceptional film support, are a joy to behold. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brooks1957 Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 Wonder if this is the equivalent of the pitching coach getting fired before the manager does. Duke fired his agent. (Duke's now former agent's husband sounds like a real peach....) https://www.ohio.com/sports/20190709/browns-running-back-duke-johnson-splits-from-agent-kristin-campbell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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