Chiefer Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 8 minutes ago, CWood21 said: 3 cone 10 yard split vertical broad Bench 40 yard Personally, I use a combination of KEI (bench + broad + vertical) and 10 yard split. And then 3 cone as well. I think it was Waldo who had a 3-cone based on weight. Running a 7.00 3 cone at 220 pounds is a lot different than running it at 280 pounds. Casey Toohill looks like a close match for Waldos formula just looking at the numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted March 7, 2020 Share Posted March 7, 2020 8 hours ago, goldfishwars said: Here are the most productive edge rushers in the NFL over the past couple of seasons. Most predictive scores based on their average scores are a good broad jump (3 Cones and Verts are also above the average) and a good 40 time. Least predictive are 10 yard splits and bench reps, although both are slightly above average percentiles. Name 10 Yard 3 Cone Vert Broad Bench 40 Bud Dupree 1.6 7.52 42 138 4.56 Cam Jordan 31 117 25 4.74 Chandler Jones 7.07 35 120 22 4.87 Danielle Hunter 1.58 6.95 36.5 130 25 4.57 D Lawrence 1.62 7.46 34.5 113 20 4.8 Frank Clark 1.7 7.08 38.5 118 19 4.79 Jadeveon Clowney 1.56 7.27 37.5 124 21 4.53 Jason Pierre-Paul 1.68 7.18 30.5 115 19 4.78 Joey Bosa 1.68 6.89 32 120 24 4.86 Josh Allen 7.15 118 28 4.63 Justin Houston 36.5 125 30 4.62 Khalil Mack 1.56 7.08 40 128 23 4.65 Myles Garrett 41 128 33 4.64 Nick Bosa 7.1 33.5 116 29 4.79 Preston Smith 1.63 7.07 34 121 24 4.74 Robert Quinn 1.61 7.13 34 116 22 4.62 Shaq Barrett 1.68 6.9 29 113 16 4.73 TJ Watt 6.79 37 128 21 4.69 Von Miller 1.57 6.7 37 126 21 4.42 Za'Darius Smith 1.76 7.42 29 113 23 4.83 Average 1.63 7.10 35.18 121.35 23.42 4.69 Percentile 55% 77% 74% 82% 55% 80% There's not a lot of consistency, but it looks like the 3 cone drill is important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lark25 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 I don’t think 1 year wonders like Bud Dupree should be on this list. Really you need to look at average over career of success. if you take an average the bad 3 cone guys are out. man Zadarius is a much worse athlete than I thought. Otherwise I’ll tell you guys Waldo was right: either extremely explosive (jumps off the charts) or extremely agile - great 3 cone are successful. Some are great on both: Von Miller, Watt bros etc - these are the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 17 minutes ago, lark25 said: I don’t think 1 year wonders like Bud Dupree should be on this list. Really you need to look at average over career of success. if you take an average the bad 3 cone guys are out. man Zadarius is a much worse athlete than I thought. Otherwise I’ll tell you guys Waldo was right: either extremely explosive (jumps off the charts) or extremely agile - great 3 cone are successful. Some are great on both: Von Miller, Watt bros etc - these are the best Some guys just have bad days take a look at Lawrence and he did that at like 250 lbs or w/e. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lark25 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Lawrence actually had a great 10yd and good vert also look at the way he wins. Good hand use, good pass rush moves, lengthy guy with a great 1st step. is he the most agile? No is he super explosive? No but he’s not below avg even from those numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lark25 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 Actually I’ll add that to my eye TJ Watt has the best profile for upside and I made the comment he will be an early 2nd late first guy before others were all over it. The only better was Von Miller but he’s not as big. myles Garrett probably isn’t the most agile but his explosiveness is off the charts so in terms of the explosion index he’s a no brainer. also it’s not surprising Joey Bosa dominated - his twitch/agility scores show that his agility is off the charts for his size even though his explosion is only ok. Combine that with great hands and power and it was obvious people saying bust for sure only understand the 40. Bunch of low IQ fans really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Awsi Dooger Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 6 hours ago, jrry32 said: There's not a lot of consistency, but it looks like the 3 cone drill is important. Definitely. I noted on SackSEER (Football Outsiders) that they weigh 3 cone so heavily that it's a separate category all by itself, and then they measure explosiveness via a combination of 40, vertical jump and broad jump. Then they try to sensibly amend it by giving credit for college production, basically sacks per game. That's how someone like Chase Young would still have received a decent grade even if he had bombed the tests at the combine. Just my instinct but I think it was that 30 inch vertical from high school that made Chase Young nervous to expose himself to testing at the combine. NFL Network doesn't show many verticals but they make it a wow moment to spotlight some of the absurdly high ones, and the occasional flunk. The NBA is equated to athletic ability largely due to jumping prowess. A top rated guy in another sport doesn't want to reveal himself as grounded. If Young had 34 history and not 30 I suspect he would have done everything. Chase Young doesn't strike me as the most explosive guy anyway, even without referring to those test scores from a few years ago. He tries to guess the snap count. His first step is very good then the next one or two steps are hardly exceptional. But where he excels is sensing the evolving weakness of the pocket. He can make very instinctive and decisive late adjustments while getting small through narrow gaps just in front of the quarterback. If the quarterback steps up Young sees it and redirects that way, even if it means taking the tackle with him into a pile. He has surprising wiry power straight ahead given less than dominant size. But in terms of flashing around the corner like Cameron Wake, that's not going to happen with any regularity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 I don't care to hear more of the high school nonsense. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiefer Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 2 hours ago, jrry32 said: I don't care to hear more of the high school nonsense. Sorry. Balderdash sir, balderdash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVScout Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 FWIW JJ Watt ran a 4.91 40, 1.71 10 yard, 37 vert, 120" broad. 6.88 3 cone, 4.21 20 yard shuttle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lark25 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 JJ ran a 4.84 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVScout Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 4 hours ago, lark25 said: JJ ran a 4.84 http://www.draftscout.com/dsprofile.php?PlayerId=76434&DraftYear=2011 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lark25 Posted March 8, 2020 Share Posted March 8, 2020 4 hours ago, TVScout said: http://www.draftscout.com/dsprofile.php?PlayerId=76434&DraftYear=2011 Maybe you should get them to check their database for errors the combine footage is on YouTube and shows 4.84 official. That 10 is off too I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVScout Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 3 hours ago, lark25 said: Maybe you should get them to check their database for errors the combine footage is on YouTube and shows 4.84 official. That 10 is off too I think The vid shows 1 run. What was his time in the other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soko Posted March 9, 2020 Share Posted March 9, 2020 10 hours ago, TVScout said: http://www.draftscout.com/dsprofile.php?PlayerId=76434&DraftYear=2011 http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/j.j.-watt?id=2495488 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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