Nex_Gen Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 (edited) You guys are looking too much into the athletic testing numbers with Harrison Bryant. He's really the only TE in this class who could create (separation, getting open and YAC) on his own. I'm with @HoboRocket. He might be a little small and sure, it would help to "test" better at that size, but this is the TE position. I put more stock into the tape and functional movement on the football field. Devin Asiasi, despite the lack of production, probably has the most polished tape. The guy was playing in a pro style offense and was doing what NFL TEs do on Sundays; reading coverages, finding tight windows/holes, catching balls with defenders all around him etc. I think he and Bryant (Harrison) end up being the two best TEs from this class. Khmet doesn't look to be anything but a decent RZ option at the next level. He needs to be schemed open because he is so slow off the line, can't separate and he can't block for his size. The lack of awareness is the worst part. The guy is going to suffer some bad injuries if he doesn't get better there. It's not a BAD class. I think people look at it and compare it to last year's class subconsciously. There are some decent options for guys that can get you from point A-B, but not much more than that. Edited April 1, 2020 by Nex_Gen 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 1 hour ago, Nex_Gen said: You guys are looking too much into the athletic testing numbers with Harrison Bryant. He's really the only TE in this class who could create (separation, getting open and YAC) on his own. I'm with @HoboRocket. He might be a little small and sure, it would help to "test" better at that size, but this is the TE position. I put more stock into the tape and functional movement on the football field. Devin Asiasi, despite the lack of production, probably has the most polished tape. The guy was playing in a pro style offense and was doing what NFL TEs do on Sundays; reading coverages, finding tight windows/holes, catching balls with defenders all around him etc. I think he and Bryant (Harrison) end up being the two best TEs from this class. Khmet doesn't look to be anything but a decent RZ option at the next level. He needs to be schemed open because he is so slow off the line, can't separate and he can't block for his size. The lack of awareness is the worst part. The guy is going to suffer some bad injuries if he doesn't get better there. It's not a BAD class. I think people look at it and compare it to last year's class subconsciously. There are some decent options for guys that can get you from point A-B, but not much more than that. Asiasi creates separation on his own. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nex_Gen Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 23 minutes ago, jrry32 said: Asiasi creates separation on his own. Not sure if it's a PAC-12 thing, but I mostly saw him going up against zone defenses. Though admittedly, I haven't watched every single cut up there is out there. He certainly can get open, and that's what's lacking in this positional group. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClutchDJ Posted April 1, 2020 Share Posted April 1, 2020 Think Josiah Deguaura can be the best from this class. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter2_1 Posted April 7, 2020 Share Posted April 7, 2020 (edited) On 04/03/2020 at 3:04 PM, goldfishwars said: Thoughts added, bearing in mind Tight End has proven to be the one position with the steepest learning curve for players coming out. Very few prospects come out and hit the ground running. Man even the Iowa guys last year, who were both touted as can’t miss prospects had a quiet first season. Harrison Bryant - Tiny school + bad athlete = not a good combination Adam Trautman - Tiny school, decent blocker – of all the tight ends I’m most intrigued by him, but yeah tiny school usually equals a steeper learning curve so you might be looking at year three before he contributes. Cole Kmet - So meh, such a meh prospect. He was never a feature of that Notre Dame offense and he can't block despite being huge. Brycen Hopkins - decent athlete, poor hands, absolutely smothered when pressed on tape Albert Okwuegbunam - Unbelievably raw, I don’t care that this guy runs fast – he literally doesn’t know what he’s doing on a football field Hunter Bryant - Undersized, main selling point was supposed to be his athleticism and let’s just say he completely underwhelmed Jacob Breeland - Meh, eh, meh, uh, hmmmm Dalton Keene - Have not seen this guy yet, perhaps he’s the great hope of the class. Jared Pinkney - Terrible athlete, average tape, couldn’t do anything at the Senior Bowl and just has nothing of anything to contribute to the NFL whatsoever For those who like Thadeus Moss for his in-line blocking, he’s under 6’2 and under 250 pounds. There’s just not many guys who succeed in that role at that size and he’s got very little else to offer. Probably will need to make it via the special teams route. Yep, pretty much agreed on all points. Such a meh class, and I wouldn't be at all surprised if they all end up with roles like....Nick Vannett, Geoff Swaim, Rhett Ellison etc. those types. Depends where they go, but I'll predict Kmet is the most productive out of all throughout career - and even then, as a 3rd of 4th preferred option on an offense. People expect BB to draft one of these because NE doesn't have a TE - I predict he won't touch any of them, just like last season Edited April 7, 2020 by Hunter2_1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul-mac Posted April 10, 2020 Share Posted April 10, 2020 I have a late 2nd round grade on Okwuegbunam, just below Kmet as my 2nd rated tight end in the draft, but apparently he has some character issues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Isn't Trautman old for the class too? Like won't he be a 24 year old rookie? That and a steep learning curve? Yeah, I'm out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 On 4/1/2020 at 1:03 PM, ClutchDJ said: Think Josiah Deguaura can be the best from this class. He's someone that's going to have a looooooooong career. He doesn't wow you in any way but he does everything well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherm Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 40 minutes ago, beekay414 said: Isn't Trautman old for the class too? Like won't he be a 24 year old rookie? That and a steep learning curve? Yeah, I'm out. Never understood this thinking. If he were a RB ok I get it but TE? Even if he takes 2 yrs to get going he'll be what 26 or 27. Don't see his age as a problem. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 I really wanna see Trautman on the Panthers with Joe Brady. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beekay414 Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 minute ago, sherm said: Never understood this thinking. If he were a RB ok I get it but TE? Even if he takes 2 yrs to get going he'll be what 26 or 27. Don't see his age as a problem. Age caps upside. When was the last time an older prospect (24 year old rookie) that went day 1 or 2 worked out? Or even in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sherm Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 19 minutes ago, beekay414 said: Age caps upside. When was the last time an older prospect (24 year old rookie) that went day 1 or 2 worked out? Or even in general. Dallas Goedert was drafted 2 yrs ago by Philly in the 2nd rd. He had just turned 23. Adam Trautman is currently 23(from what I can find) and a pretty good pro comparison is Goedert in terms of skill set and potential. If not for Zach Ertz we'd be talking about a player who could be top 5 at his position. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeotheLion Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 8 hours ago, beekay414 said: Age caps upside. When was the last time an older prospect (24 year old rookie) that went day 1 or 2 worked out? Or even in general. Kupp 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 1 hour ago, LeotheLion said: Kupp Yep turned 24 less than two months after drafted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrissooner49er Posted April 11, 2020 Share Posted April 11, 2020 Oh, now it's age discrimination, is it?! Trautman is actually my favorite TE in this class. I would love to have Kyle take him and pair him with Kittle. As a day 3 prospect, I like Dalton Keene of Va Tech. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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