jrry32 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 56 minutes ago, VanS said: Here are my final DB rankings: CB Jeff Okudah (Ohio St.) - Top 5 grade......NFL comp: Nnamdi Asomugha CB CJ Henderson (Florida) - 1st round grade CB Darnay Holmes (UCLA) - 1st round grade....NFL comp: Asante Samuel CB Cameron Danzler (Miss St.) - 2nd round grade....NFL comp: Marcus Peters S Grant Delpit (LSU) - 2nd round grade.....NFL comp: Eric Reid You're not worried that Wazzu WRs toasted Holmes for like 150 yards and 3 TDs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VanS Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 28 minutes ago, jrry32 said: You're not worried that Wazzu WRs toasted Holmes for like 150 yards and 3 TDs? Didn't see that game. I like to go more on a guys overall skill set than on game by game results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted April 23, 2020 Share Posted April 23, 2020 12 minutes ago, VanS said: Didn't see that game. I like to go more on a guys overall skill set than on game by game results. Maybe you should watch it. Might point to some issues in his skill-set you didn't see in the games you watched. Hard to believe a first round caliber CB can get toasted like that by guys who may not even play in the NFL. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G Posted May 10, 2020 Share Posted May 10, 2020 On 11/25/2019 at 3:13 PM, Ozzy said: I would say these are the best slot corners in this order. Amik Robertson La Tech JR Essang Bassey Wake Forest Myles Bryant Washington CJ Henderson Florida JR John Reid Penn State RS Damon Arnette Ohio State Cameron Dantzler Miss State RS JR Safeties who could cover in the slot if asked and Winfield could straight up play corner if asked, same with Blackmon most likely and Jones but Winfield would be the best corner out of all of them I feel. Brooks could be a convert to OLB or coverage linebacker similar to what Tanner Muse will most likely become but Brooks can cover better than Muse as a pure safety. Antonie Winfield Jr. Minnesota RS SOPH Xavier McKinney Alabama JR Julian Blackmon Utah* Antoine Brooks Jr Maryland Brandon Jones Texas On 12/30/2019 at 9:45 PM, NateDawg said: Damon Arnette didn’t play in the slot very much. He and Jeff Okudah were the outside corners. Although Shaun Wade is a true corner, he basically played a mix of slot and safety without getting much time outside. That’s just the way things go sometimes when there is a second round caliber guy with two years on you (Arnette) and an elite guy in Okudah, who will go top 10, maybe top 5. If Wade returned for next year, he would probably make a huge jump by showing the outside versatility and go top 15. As it stands, he is still probably going to declare for the draft and go pretty high, because I think GM’s are aware that he can play outside and are already likely to fall in love with his versatility. Would not be surprised to see him go in the top 25, but certainly the top 40 picks. The NFL loves DBs that can be versatile. He is the type of guy that could honestly excel in the slot, outside, or in a safety role. A physical and sound tackler to go along with good coverage skills and plus athleticism. After the draft it's nice to see our 4th rounders getting so much love in these pages but our 1st hardly being mentioned... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onejayhawk Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 On 4/15/2020 at 7:14 PM, jimkelly02 said: I’m a big fan of Robinson as a sleeper prospect. LJarius Sneed of La Tech too Nice call. What were you seeing that most draft observers missed? J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 49 minutes ago, onejayhawk said: Nice call. What were you seeing that most draft observers missed? J Thanks.... I wouldn’t say I’m better than anyone else by any means. I just put in a lot of my time trying to find gaps in perceived value vs actual value- just like how investors try to find stocks that are underrated snd will rise. What wasn’t there to like about Snead was the question. He could play FS or CB. At first glance he had Crazy HWS numbers and great production. So I looked into him more and as soon as I turned on the “YouTube tape aka highlights videos... lol... immediately his ability to break on a route jumps out. The kid can stick his foot in the ground and absolutely explode through the catch point of the WR. You take his size and that explosion and ability and you have the makings of a very good zone corner. There were unknowns about how he’d fair in man but he had the HWS that most “zone CBs” lack to be man coverage CBs. So basically I can’t scout every mid round prospect enough to make a prediction on, so I look for indicators such as above average HWS or production and then watch their tape. You wanna look for traits and abilities. And once you’ve done worth research you make your claim in a humble way and just hope you hit more then you miss. I’m 36 and have been obsessive with the draft since I was legit 10 years old. I’d go get every single draft publication available back in the day and just read them front to back a dozen times... trying to find guys I thought might be steals. **** even when I was in prison for a handful of years I had 6+ draft guides I’d read over and over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 minute ago, jimkelly02 said: Thanks.... I wouldn’t say I’m better than anyone else by any means. I just put in a lot of my time trying to find gaps in perceived value vs actual value- just like how investors try to find stocks that are underrated snd will rise. What wasn’t there to like about Snead was the question. He could play FS or CB. At first glance he had Crazy HWS numbers and great production. So I looked into him more and as soon as I turned on the “YouTube tape aka highlights videos... lol... immediately his ability to break on a route jumps out. The kid can stick his foot in the ground and absolutely explode through the catch point of the WR. You take his size and that explosion and ability and you have the makings of a very good zone corner. There were unknowns about how he’d fair in man but he had the HWS that most “zone CBs” lack to be man coverage CBs. So basically I can’t scout every mid round prospect enough to make a prediction on, so I look for indicators such as above average HWS or production and then watch their tape. You wanna look for traits and abilities. And once you’ve done worth research you make your claim in a humble way and just hope you hit more then you miss. I’m 36 and have been obsessive with the draft since I was legit 10 years old. I’d go get every single draft publication available back in the day and just read them front to back a dozen times... trying to find guys I thought might be steals. **** even when I was in prison for a handful of years I had 6+ draft guides I’d read over and over. And then you become a professional scout and then a GM and they make a movie about you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlash Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 11 minutes ago, jimkelly02 said: I’m 36 and have been obsessive with the draft since I was legit 10 years old. I’d go get every single draft publication available back in the day and just read them front to back a dozen times... trying to find guys I thought might be steals. **** even when I was in prison for a handful of years I had 6+ draft guides I’d read over and over. We've got an eerily similar timeline. Aside from prison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Counselor said: And then you become a professional scout and then a GM and they make a movie about you. lol. I wish, right! I worked for a South FL based NFL agent to create a database of Florida hometown or went to college in the state prospects.... it’s more than 20% of the draft I’d assume... and give a rating on the players chances of being drafted into 5 tiers of rookie contracts. Basically used it to target mid round players who other agents would be going after. I crushed it. Also evaluated the likelihood to get several tiers of a second contract. the agent was a friends uncle who had 2 very big clients but after they left he had lost money on or barely made any money representing some low grade UDFAs. He wanted to do a better job of landing guys who’d be more profitable to represent. It was just as cool as it sounds- which is not cool at all. Lol. I also had a section for guys I thought were absolutely steals regardless of where they were from and called Sheldon Rankins and Vernon Butler late first to early 2nd round picks back when they were 4-5th rounders. Edited February 13, 2021 by jimkelly02 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onejayhawk Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 FWIW Chris Trapasso of CBS did a 2020 redraft. L'Jarius Seed went #7 overall, where Derrick Brown was taken in the real draft. Okudah did not make the first round.https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/redrafting-the-2020-nfl-draft-justin-herbert-picked-by-bengals-justin-jefferson-lands-with-lions/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimkelly02 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 23 minutes ago, Jlash said: We've got an eerily similar timeline. Aside from prison. Yeah well that 5-10 stretch held me back lol. Glad to meet someone else with a similar story... minus the prison of course! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 1 hour ago, onejayhawk said: FWIW Chris Trapasso of CBS did a 2020 redraft. L'Jarius Seed went #7 overall, where Derrick Brown was taken in the real draft. Okudah did not make the first round.https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/redrafting-the-2020-nfl-draft-justin-herbert-picked-by-bengals-justin-jefferson-lands-with-lions/ That's really dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onejayhawk Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 Just now, jrry32 said: That's really dumb. Point. Still, it just means Okudah was not one of the 32 most impactful rookies. The real point is that L'Jarius Sneed was one of the ten most impactful rookies, even with a seven game injury. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted February 13, 2021 Share Posted February 13, 2021 6 minutes ago, onejayhawk said: Point. Still, it just means Okudah was not one of the 32 most impactful rookies. The real point is that L'Jarius Sneed was one of the ten most impactful rookies, even with a seven game injury. J Okay, but teams don't make draft decisions on rookie performances. I'd bet on Okudah becoming a stud. I'm not hating on Sneed. I'm simply saying that sort of clickbait from Trapasso is dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted February 14, 2021 Share Posted February 14, 2021 4 hours ago, jrry32 said: Okay, but teams don't make draft decisions on rookie performances. I'd bet on Okudah becoming a stud. I'm not hating on Sneed. I'm simply saying that sort of clickbait from Trapasso is dumb. I mean, it's a "what have you done for me lately" article. Okduah was in no way, shape, or form a top 32 rookie last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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