Danger Posted December 19, 2019 Share Posted December 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, ronjon1990 said: Herbert has the warmest blood a QB has ever had. He's not terrible, but I don't see 1st round franchise guy. I can't recall many moments he rose to the occasion to win games, but I can recall several where he arguably lost them for us. I'm not one to gush over raw tools or size/speed at the QB position. It may be a bit harsh, but I view Herbert as a similar prospect to Steven Montez with the benefit of playing for a better program. Barring someone currently ranked between 3 and 6 shooting up the boards, I totally agree with you on Tua. I could see him as the 3rd QB taken in some cases, but they're extremely limited. Maybe I've only watched limited film on Herbert but he definitely seems like a 1 read inaccurate passer, and that's what worries me the most. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raidersedge Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 Herbert never really wowed me but there will be multiple teams drooling over him. Just in terms of size, mobility. There will be a bunch of teams who will think he's just needs the handcuffs taking off. I can see NFL personal blaming his conservative play on the Oregon coaching staff. Its how they think. I definitely see him drafted in the top 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Breesus mode Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 8 hours ago, raidersedge said: Herbert never really wowed me but there will be multiple teams drooling over him. Just in terms of size, mobility. There will be a bunch of teams who will think he's just needs the handcuffs taking off. I can see NFL personal blaming his conservative play on the Oregon coaching staff. Its how they think. I definitely see him drafted in the top 10. And it will be example number eleventy billion of scouts looking for the wrong things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted December 20, 2019 Share Posted December 20, 2019 (edited) I think there's little chance Herbert goes in round one. I think it's easy to think that NFL teams just look at arm strength and size and pencil guys into the first round, but if that were true guys like Jarret Stidham, Ryan Mallett, and Logan Thomas would have been easy first rounders. Aside from size and arm strength, Herbert has no other redeeming qualities. He's inaccurate, has still feet in the pocket, doesn't have good mobility, and apparently doesn't see the field well. I've been penciling in Jacob Eason in place of Herbert in the top 10 and omitting Herbert entirely from round one in the mocks I've been working on. He'd be lucky to go in the second. Speaking of Eason, I'm a little surprised he isn't getting surefire first round love. He reminds me a lot of Carson Wentz, arm talent-wise. Edited December 20, 2019 by Rich7sena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrry32 Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 6 hours ago, Breesus mode said: And it will be example number eleventy billion of scouts looking for the wrong things Well, there are so many examples that I don't see how anybody can be surprised at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oregon Ducks Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 On 12/19/2019 at 11:32 AM, Danger said: Maybe I've only watched limited film on Herbert but he definitely seems like a 1 read inaccurate passer, and that's what worries me the most. He reads just fine. He is inaccurate sometimes. lol at isn't mobile, though. This dude will probably run a 4.6 40 I have said that I don't want us in the 1st, but I would rather we draft him in the 1st than Fromm in the 2nd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danger Posted December 21, 2019 Share Posted December 21, 2019 4 hours ago, Oregon Ducks said: He reads just fine. He is inaccurate sometimes. lol at isn't mobile, though. This dude will probably run a 4.6 40 I have said that I don't want us in the 1st, but I would rather we draft him in the 1st than Fromm in the 2nd. I never said he wasn't mobile. From what I've seen he reminds me of Josh Allen with a lesser arm frankly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargers Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 On 12/20/2019 at 2:36 PM, Rich7sena said: I think there's little chance Herbert goes in round one. I think it's easy to think that NFL teams just look at arm strength and size and pencil guys into the first round, but if that were true guys like Jarret Stidham, Ryan Mallett, and Logan Thomas would have been easy first rounders. Aside from size and arm strength, Herbert has no other redeeming qualities. He's inaccurate, has still feet in the pocket, doesn't have good mobility, and apparently doesn't see the field well. I've been penciling in Jacob Eason in place of Herbert in the top 10 and omitting Herbert entirely from round one in the mocks I've been working on. He'd be lucky to go in the second. Speaking of Eason, I'm a little surprised he isn't getting surefire first round love. He reminds me a lot of Carson Wentz, arm talent-wise. Josh Allen and Josh Rosen were both 1st round picks. No chance Herbert falls out of the 1st with all of the terrible QBs in the league thus year someone will draft him. I actually think it'll be my Chargers that do it, but I hope we get him better coaches because he may not fit our system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirill Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Joe Burrow has bust written all over him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 33 minutes ago, Classic said: Josh Allen and Josh Rosen were both 1st round picks. No chance Herbert falls out of the 1st with all of the terrible QBs in the league thus year someone will draft him. I actually think it'll be my Chargers that do it, but I hope we get him better coaches because he may not fit our system. Both Allen and Rosen were discernibly better quarterback prospects than Herbert coming out. Allen had a stronger and more accurate arm; was more mobile; and played in a pro-style offense. Rosen had the 5-star pedigree and flashed big performances since he was a freshman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargers Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, Rich7sena said: Both Allen and Rosen were discernibly better quarterback prospects than Herbert coming out. Allen had a stronger and more accurate arm; was more mobile; and played in a pro-style offense. Rosen had the 5-star pedigree and flashed big performances since he was a freshman. Who cares about his status a high schooler. I have a hard time seeing Rosen being a better prospect. Allen is a superior athlete than Herbert but he isn't more accurate. I know about Oregon passing game inflating completion percentage but the difference between the two is staggering. I could see Herbert dropping in the 1st but I can't see him not being 1st rounder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tannenballs Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Love > Herbert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Classic said: Who cares about his status a high schooler. I have a hard time seeing Rosen being a better prospect. Allen is a superior athlete than Herbert but he isn't more accurate. I know about Oregon passing game inflating completion percentage but the difference between the two is staggering. I could see Herbert dropping in the 1st but I can't see him not being 1st rounder. NFL teams have shown a propensity to care about high school pedigree--especially when pared with a productive freshman campaign (e.g. Christian Hackenberg; Christian Ponder; Mitch Trubisky). But more importantly Rosen showed advanced pocket mobility and flashed highlight reel downfield throws. I, personally, was not a big Rosen fan but I understood why he would go in the first round and why some liked him best among the group. Allen, on the other hand, was pretty much the opposite of Rosen in that he possessed a lot of raw material that was easy to see but did not produce well given the lackluster surrounding talent and Allen's own slow passing vision. Still, he showed the ability to make high degree of difficulty throws downfield and threaten the defense with his legs which made him Cam Newton-esque. In short, Allen had wheels and impressive arm talent (strength + accuracy downfield). Herbert shows little in terms of his overall arm talent and mobility. And he isn't a polished prospect like Rosen. Ultimately, his lack of redeeming traits makes him more like the players I mentioned who went much later in the draft than Allen or Rosen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rich7sena Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, tannenballs said: Love > Herbert I agree and I don't necessarily love Love. Unlike Herbert, however, I can definitely see a likely path for NFL success for Love. My comp for him is Jameis Winston. However, as I said in a previous post on this page, give me Eason over both. Edited December 24, 2019 by Rich7sena 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tannenballs Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 39 minutes ago, Rich7sena said: I agree and I don't necessarily love Love. Unlike Herbert, however, I can definitely see a likely path for NFL success for Love. My comp for him is Jameis Winston. However, as I said in a previous post on this page, give me Eason over both. Do you think Eason declares? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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