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If the Bills moved to Toronto, there would be zero NFL teams in New York and that would just be weird. 

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9 hours ago, DigInBoys said:

You have zero understanding of economics if you actually believe the bolded.

As far as your "numbers", look at the capacity of the temporary venue the Chargers play in.

You also don't compare city populations, you compare "market" populations.

The market population would be an entire country.

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5 hours ago, AkronsWitness said:

The market population would be an entire country.

California has a larger population than Canada, and the rest of the United States to draw upon.

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20 hours ago, DigInBoys said:

You have zero understanding of economics if you actually believe the bolded.

As far as your "numbers", look at the capacity of the temporary venue the Chargers play in.1[/b]

You also don't compare city populations, you compare "market" populations.

Which they didn’t even sell out.

Edited by Fresh Prince

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On 05/06/2019 at 12:15 AM, Danger said:

NFL would love to see them in Toronto.

No they wouldn't. If they did they would have sold the team to someone other than the Pegulas. 

If you want a team in Toronto, move the Chargers, LA doesn't want them

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On 06/06/2019 at 12:11 AM, DigInBoys said:

I wouldn't underestimate the greed of NFL owners.

History is replete with examples of professional sports owners doing whatever it took to find greener pastures.

When it comes to stadiums, they will try to spend as little out of their own pockets as possible.

The most recent example is Kroenke. A Missouri native who had a reasonable stadium deal on the table and still left.

A billionaire isn't going to spend "whatever it takes" to build a stadium if the math doesn't work in the market.

If the Pegulas moved the Bills, the Pegulas would have to sell all their assets in Western New York

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On 06/06/2019 at 5:56 AM, DigInBoys said:

You have zero understanding of economics if you actually believe the bolded.

As far as your "numbers", look at the capacity of the temporary venue the Chargers play in.

You also don't compare city populations, you compare "market" populations.

Yes. And the only reason they even fill it is because of opposition fans.

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On 6/5/2019 at 8:41 PM, AkronsWitness said:

Good, LA has 2 football teams they dont care about--move one of them there.

Oh LA cares about the Rams for sure, and even if they don’t care about them as much as they care about the Lakers and Dodgers they still care about them more than St Louis ever did.  Now the Chargers is a totally different story.  LA never wanted them in the first place, they wanted the Raiders back

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18 hours ago, BigMountainGoat said:

Yes. And the only reason they even fill it is because of opposition fans.

The NFL doesn't care who fills stadiums as long as the money is green.

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On 08/06/2019 at 12:23 AM, DigInBoys said:

The NFL doesn't care who fills stadiums as long as the money is green.

And they won't fill the new stadium

The Chargers moving to London is inevitable. Its a simply a case of what reasoning the NFL choose to use. 

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The Chargers aren't going to be getting LASED and filling that stadium. Facts. 

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10 hours ago, BigMountainGoat said:

And they won't fill the new stadium

The Chargers moving to London is inevitable. Its a simply a case of what reasoning the NFL choose to use. 

I'm going to repost this from the News forum when the topic of the Chargers moving came up, because your post is devoid of logic when you actually do the research on this issue:

 

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Yes, the NFL in its obsession with money and popularity is going let the Chargers move back to San Diego, reducing the Chargers potential fanbase from 20 million people to 3 million(roughly speaking) where a publicly funded stadium will never happen.

 

The Chargers will never be able to build a fanbase? Tell that to the Clippers who for 30 years were the biggest joke in sports run by the worst ownership ever.

 

There's a reason the Jets, Mets, White Sox etc. have never left despite being the secondary teams.

 

The league and owners(who control the league) will never "force" a team to leave a larger market for a smaller market for the dangerous precedent it would set...for themselves. 

 

You're ignoring the social, political, and most importantly economic facts of the situation.

 

That's just not the way the real world works, especially not with the NFL in the 21st century.

 

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In an area with 20 million people, that supports 2 pro basketball teams, 3 baseball teams, 2 hockey teams, 2 soccer teams, which was able to support THREE NFL teams 30 years ago(before 2 terrible owners forced their way out of the area), in addition to countless minor and secondary teams, the Chargers won't be able to carve out a fanbase(Counting what they will retain from San Diego) and fill a stadium 8 times a year, got it.

 

No team is going to make more money being a San Diego team than it will an LA team, it's like saying water isn't wet.

 

I mean, that's the whole reason the Chargers moved in the first place..

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I'm going to repeat what I said in the Angels thread.

 

The Chargers basically have a market from the Mexican border in the south to Santa Barbara in the North, stretching 230 miles North to South with 20 million people. 

 

20 million people.

 

With a brand new stadium being likened to the Death Star.

 

With the NFL's TV contact, and everything else that comes with being an NFL team.

 

They will not "fail".

 

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People care about the Clippers, and they were run by the worst owner in history and the biggest joke in sports for 30 years.

 

This isn't a Clippers/Lakers thing, where you've got the most glamorous franchise in the league and the biggest joke in the league sharing the city for decades.

 

The Rams have history, but 20 years is a long time for people to forget things and they were never as successful as the Lakers.

 

That's not even factoring the whole "People can have an NFC team and an AFC team" thing.

 

You've got two basketball teams , two hockey teams, two baseball teams, hell 2 soccer teams all with good fanbases.

 

Chargers just need time.

 

People are judging a move which should be analyzed over decades based on 2 years.

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Does it matter? As long as the money is green it doesn't make a difference to the bottom line.

 

The Chargers accountants aren't sitting there going, "Mr. Spanos, we looked at the books. Even though we've sold out our season tickets even with them being astronomically priced due to the size of Stubhub, it's a total disaster because not as high a proportion of Chargers fans bought tickets".

 

Building a fanbase takes time.

 

If anything, that should tell us that there are probably enough fans of every NFL team in the market to help sell plenty of tickets to fans of opposing teams for the 8 home games a year. They won't be paying with monopoly money.

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Now for the Clippers. The Chargers aren't the Clippers for the reasons I outlined previously but let's say for argument's sake they are.

 

Let's say you guys are right, and I concede that the Chargers are destined to be the football equivalent of the Clippers.

 

That means they are destined to:

 

1. Be one of the 10 most valuable franchises in the league, and one of the most profitable.

 

2. Have a reliable fan base and move plenty of merchandise.

 

3. Be a team who is perennially top 10 in attendance in their good years and still fill over 90% capacity in their down years(looking at the last decade or so)

 

4. Stay in the market and begin planning their own stadium.

 

If that's the logic being applied here for the Chargers having a good chance of LEAVING, then I'd say merely being condescending is quite generous.

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So between the hundreds of millions they would likely lose(NFL G-4 loan for the LA stadium, LA relocation fee, moving costs to LA then San Antonio, overall money invested in LA) plus funding for a stadium in San Antonio when one is being built in LA etc. they would do all that in order to move from the 2nd largest market to the 25th?

 

Makes sense.

 

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Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, DigInBoys said:

I'm going to repost this from the News forum when the topic of the Chargers moving came up, because your post is devoid of logic when you actually do the research on this issue:

 

 

Actually it's pretty obvious. Most US fans don't realise how close a London franchise is. They are distracted by the LA and Vegas moves. Massive changes have been made to the London games in the last 2/3 years in preparation for a franchise. A team could move into the Spurs stadium tomorrow, it has an entire NFL setup built in. 

London gives the NFL perfect route out the Chargers debacle. They can ignore the fact the Chargers are not wanted in LA, just talk about London and gives everyone a route out to save face. 

Edited by BigMountainGoat

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5 hours ago, Vladimir L said:

Buffalo is a small market

 

NFL teams love big market city

Dumb comment is so very dumb 

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