Matts4313 Posted June 7, 2019 Author Share Posted June 7, 2019 31 minutes ago, DaBoys said: Zeke has only played 7 games in which he did not eclipse 70 yards. 0-7 @car <6 @Hou <6 @was >6 @ten >6 @Den<6 @NYG<6 @LAR>6 Strange that even when you pick out a random cut off number, it still lines up pretty well with Dak being good or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted June 7, 2019 Author Share Posted June 7, 2019 2 minutes ago, The_Slamman said: Matts, just do my challenge... compare Dak’s stats when Zeke plays well compared to when doesn’t play or gets stopped. So I provide you league-wide analysis by multiple researchers, and your response is for me to go do anecdotal leg work on a very small sample set. Dont think that holds up in court. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted June 7, 2019 Author Share Posted June 7, 2019 Daks best games by AY/A: NYG 2018 10.6, Zeke 0 yards WAS 2018 10.6, Zeke 121 yards NO 2018 9.6, Zeke 75 DET 2018 10.9, Zeke 152 ARZ 2017 12.4, Zeke 80 yards SFO 2017 11.7, Zeke 147 NYG 2017 13.1, Zeke 0 yards DET 2016 13.6, Zeke 80 yards CLE 2016 11.4, Zeke 92 yards PIT 2016 11.2, Zeke 114 CHI 2016 11.2, Zeke 140 ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ His best 3-4 games each year. The top 3? Zeke had 80, 80 and 0 yards. So even your little trial proves you wrong @The_Slamman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted June 7, 2019 Author Share Posted June 7, 2019 @DaBoys Zeke has also had multiple games with 0 yards. In those: Was, NYG, OAK, NYG So there are 4 games that we won without Zeke. Also Philly their rookie year we were way up until we pulled everyone. So kinda that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 Does it bother you that you are the only one that feels the way you do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 53 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: @car <6 @Hou <6 @was >6 @ten >6 @Den<6 @NYG<6 @LAR>6 Strange that even when you pick out a random cut off number, it still lines up pretty well with Dak being good or not. No it doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted June 8, 2019 Author Share Posted June 8, 2019 3 minutes ago, DaBoys said: Does it bother you that you are the only one that feels the way you do? Not at all. Truly, not at all. I posted this same debate like 3 years ago but I did it with 25 year studies. Nothing was different. People have been taught mantra's about football their entire life. They start to believe them. And those beliefs dont change over night. 10 years ago HS football was ground and pound. Now its basically air raid. One of the best HS coach in the country has a philosophy - he never punts the ball no matter what down or distance. Crazy right? He also onside kicks every game. And he is winning a lot of football. Just last year teams started toying with the idea of going for 2 on every single extra point. You guys are a bunch of flat earthers. But one day you will realize its round. Think outside the box. The game evolves. 1 minute ago, DaBoys said: No it doesn't. 3-4, so losing record. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted June 8, 2019 Author Share Posted June 8, 2019 @DaBoys => Does it bother you that I know you have googled it, and you cant find anything that supports running helps you win football games? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 48 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: @DaBoys => Does it bother you that I know you have googled it, and you cant find anything that supports running helps you win football games? I've already listed our record when our running game does well vs. when it doesn't. Multiple other people have seen it too. That's all the proof I need. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBoys Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 52 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Not at all. Truly, not at all. I posted this same debate like 3 years ago but I did it with 25 year studies. Nothing was different. People have been taught mantra's about football their entire life. They start to believe them. And those beliefs dont change over night. 10 years ago HS football was ground and pound. Now its basically air raid. One of the best HS coach in the country has a philosophy - he never punts the ball no matter what down or distance. Crazy right? He also onside kicks every game. And he is winning a lot of football. Just last year teams started toying with the idea of going for 2 on every single extra point. You guys are a bunch of flat earthers. But one day you will realize its round. Think outside the box. The game evolves. 3-4, so losing record. Well I can respect that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plan9misfit Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 If the running game doesn’t matter, then every team would run the Mike Leach Air Raid offense or the June Jones Run N’ Shoot. Yet, they don’t. Hmm, wonder why... Then again, even those offenses ran the ball. So weird.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WizardHawk Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 I don't want to go through all of the articles now, but didn't AdamJT13 do some extensive work on this topic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted June 8, 2019 Author Share Posted June 8, 2019 39 minutes ago, plan9misfit said: If the running game doesn’t matter, then every team would run the Mike Leach Air Raid offense or the June Jones Run N’ Shoot. Yet, they don’t. Hmm, wonder why... Then again, even those offenses ran the ball. So weird.... This is a common misinterpretation. That because the run game doesnt have a huge correlation, then you should pass every single play. That is *NOT* the findings. They have found whether you run 70 times or 7 times, it doesnt matter as much as passing efficiently. The #1 goal should be passing better and stopping the other team from passing well. 14 minutes ago, WizardHawk said: I don't want to go through all of the articles now, but didn't AdamJT13 do some extensive work on this topic? He inspired me to look into this a long time ago. And there have been studies every single year that all come to the same conclusion he had 10 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPJ Posted June 8, 2019 Share Posted June 8, 2019 12 hours ago, Matts4313 said: This is a common misinterpretation. That because the run game doesnt have a huge correlation, then you should pass every single play. That is *NOT* the findings. They have found whether you run 70 times or 7 times, it doesnt matter as much as passing efficiently. The #1 goal should be passing better and stopping the other team from passing well. He inspired me to look into this a long time ago. And there have been studies every single year that all come to the same conclusion he had 10 years ago. So do you ever think Daks best games are because the defenses are selling out to stop Zeke? Regardless if Zeke goes for 50 or 150, you can see defenses stacking the box to stop Zeke. Numerous defensive players for other teams have stated, stop Zeke and force Dak to beat you. So when Dak is on, we typically win because he is efficient. The issue I have with Dak is for him to earn $30 plus million, he needs to be consistent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted June 8, 2019 Author Share Posted June 8, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, CAPJ said: So do you ever think Daks best games are because the defenses are selling out to stop Zeke? Regardless if Zeke goes for 50 or 150, you can see defenses stacking the box to stop Zeke. Numerous defensive players for other teams have stated, stop Zeke and force Dak to beat you. So when Dak is on, we typically win because he is efficient. The issue I have with Dak is for him to earn $30 plus million, he needs to be consistent. Actually this is all proven false as well. Zeke doesnt face stacked boxes more than any other RB. And Daks best games have no correlation to Zeke. And stacked boxes are by formation. "Let Thurman Thomas rush for 100 and I guarantee we win the Superbowl" - Bill Belichick. You guys smarter than him? Edited June 8, 2019 by Matts4313 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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