Patriots file Tampering charges against Texans for the attempted GM hire of Nick Caserio

[Tex]

Also just to add, we won't get this guy -- even next year. If the Patriots value him, they will pay him enough to stay. 

Bill O'Brien either needs to get canned or find someone else that he wants to get along working with. This is becoming such a sad state of affairs for the Texans. The Jaguars got better in the offseason, the Colts did as well. I can't imagine the Texans are winning the division next year and will probably miss the playoffs. Guess that won't be the worst thing if the coach is getting canned though.

[sdrawkcab321]

Smart move. Just hire him next year. 

[Tex]

1 hour ago, sdrawkcab321 said:

Smart move. Just hire him next year. 

We won't get him next year. The Patriots will just extend him and give him the money he wants. Clearly they value him.

[patman]

3 hours ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

And when your boss is a **** who won't let you leave for a promotion, anyone who wants to work for the Pats will demand a 1 year deal, or go to an organization who will let them leave.

So you either get a front office full of 1 year deals, or a front office with people no one else wants. Good job.

When did the pats refuse over the last 20 years? maybe 2 or 3 times. Certainly not enough  to discourage anyone for applying.  Your trying to get the worse caase scenario and apply it to every case.  Jon Robinsonn Licht,Pioli, Quinn and Demitroff  will argue about the attractiveness of working with BB and Kraft.    Dujuan Daniels also left to become Mayoucks Assistant. 

Bill lets them go, but there are times when the team would suffer and this year it is one.  We lost Robinson and Daniels this year from the FO, We lost 4 coaches to promotions a year after losing 3.  You have to say no sometimes, BB's first responsibility is to the team not to his proteges

[Soko]

8 hours ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

There are 32 GM jobs available. Every single person in an NFL team wants that job. The Pats got the Texans to stop pursuing him on a stupid technicality.

The Pats denied him his dream job. If my boss did that crap, I'd never forgive him.

Curious - do you think the grace period prior to NFL free agency, when only FAs and their respective teams can negotiate (or be tagged), is also toxic for their business relationship? Are you of the mindset that 2020 free agents ought to be able to negotiate with other teams, this year?

Do you think all players who want to (and maybe ought to be) starters, but aren’t for their respective teams, hate their GMs that don’t release or trade them?

Serious questions, because it’s a pretty similar principle. Honestly, I don’t think what actually happened with this whole Caserio-Texans thing was that big of a deal. Probably not even a real case of tampering, IYAM. But it doesn’t really make sense to apply yours-and-mine labor issues to that of an NFL employee. If the rules disallow tampering (alongside contract stipulations, in this case), it seems like a stretch to villainize a team for enforcing it, even if it’s disagreed with. A technicality? Sure. Probably a cheap move for the Pats to pull, in some respects. But hardly evil.

 

[patman]

6 hours ago, Yin-Yang said:

Curious - do you think the grace period prior to NFL free agency, when only FAs and their respective teams can negotiate (or be tagged), is also toxic for their business relationship? Are you of the mindset that 2020 free agents ought to be able to negotiate with other teams, this year?

Do you think all players who want to (and maybe ought to be) starters, but aren’t for their respective teams, hate their GMs that don’t release or trade them?

Serious questions, because it’s a pretty similar principle. Honestly, I don’t think what actually happened with this whole Caserio-Texans thing was that big of a deal. Probably not even a real case of tampering, IYAM. But it doesn’t really make sense to apply yours-and-mine labor issues to that of an NFL employee. If the rules disallow tampering (alongside contract stipulations, in this case), it seems like a stretch to villainize a team for enforcing it, even if it’s disagreed with. A technicality? Sure. Probably a cheap move for the Pats to pull, in some respects. But hardly evil.

Again, I don't understand why anyone would think it was a cheap move. The CS and FO got decimated this off season after suffering loses the previous year also.  The organization's responsibility is to the team, not to individual players or staff.  His contract ends next off season, he was on the list of a few teams this year and he will be again next year. If he wants to move on, he can certainly do so then. 

[ramssuperbowl99]

7 hours ago, Yin-Yang said:

Curious - do you think the grace period prior to NFL free agency, when only FAs and their respective teams can negotiate (or be tagged), is also toxic for their business relationship? Are you of the mindset that 2020 free agents ought to be able to negotiate with other teams, this year?

Do you think all players who want to (and maybe ought to be) starters, but aren’t for their respective teams, hate their GMs that don’t release or trade them?

Serious questions, because it’s a pretty similar principle. Honestly, I don’t think what actually happened with this whole Caserio-Texans thing was that big of a deal. Probably not even a real case of tampering, IYAM. But it doesn’t really make sense to apply yours-and-mine labor issues to that of an NFL employee. If the rules disallow tampering (alongside contract stipulations, in this case), it seems like a stretch to villainize a team for enforcing it, even if it’s disagreed with. A technicality? Sure. Probably a cheap move for the Pats to pull, in some respects. But hardly evil.

 

It's a wildly different principle. One is collectively bargained, the other isn't. One is a job with one of the highest turnover rates and injury rates of any job in America, the other isn't. You can go on and on about the differences, because working in a front office for the NFL isn't much different from being a high level executive anywhere else. Playing in the NFL is really only comparable to playing in another professional sports league.

[ILoveTheVikings]

On 6/12/2019 at 4:22 PM, ramssuperbowl99 said:

O/U 2.5 game suspension for Brady, 2nd round pick fine for the Pats

Tuck Rule

Spygate

Deflategate

And now this.

 

The Pats own the NFL.

[Soko]

1 hour ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

It's a wildly different principle. One is collectively bargained, the other isn't. One is a job with one of the highest turnover rates and injury rates of any job in America, the other isn't. You can go on and on about the differences, because working in a front office for the NFL isn't much different from being a high level executive anywhere else. Playing in the NFL is really only comparable to playing in another professional sports league.

The circumstances are different, but the principles are virtually the same. 

The rules say tampering isn’t allowed. In many cases, there are players who deserve to be starting but are stuck on depth charts. So is it not okay for GMs-players to tamper a year in advance, but okay for GMs-FO guys? Do you believe backup players hate their GMs for not letting them pursue starting positions elsewhere? 

So I’m wondering if your thoughts are consistent, or just cherrypicked. Because both players and FO members are considered contractual assets that a team has more incentive to keep than to let go (assuming they’re good at their jobs). 

[lancerman]

18 hours ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

And when your boss is a **** who won't let you leave for a promotion, anyone who wants to work for the Pats will demand a 1 year deal, or go to an organization who will let them leave.

So you either get a front office full of 1 year deals, or a front office with people no one else wants. Good job.

It’s barely a promotion. He already basically has a GM gig with some BB oversight 

18 hours ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

The Patriots may as well tweet out "Are you talented? Do you want a career in football? Avoid the **** out of the New England Patriots"

Yeah don’t go to the place where every bit of personnel that has ever been through their gets a chance at a huge position and becomes highly sought after. 

You are talking out of your butt sir

[lancerman]

15 hours ago, patman said:

When did the pats refuse over the last 20 years? maybe 2 or 3 times. Certainly not enough  to discourage anyone for applying.  Your trying to get the worse caase scenario and apply it to every case.  Jon Robinsonn Licht,Pioli, Quinn and Demitroff  will argue about the attractiveness of working with BB and Kraft.    Dujuan Daniels also left to become Mayoucks Assistant. 

Bill lets them go, but there are times when the team would suffer and this year it is one.  We lost Robinson and Daniels this year from the FO, We lost 4 coaches to promotions a year after losing 3.  You have to say no sometimes, BB's first responsibility is to the team not to his proteges

He’s just pissy over the Patriots. 

[tab]

some thoughts ive had

 

-If this clause existed for "some time now" why bother with tampering charges? Why not say it outright?
-If we tampered, wouldn't this have come up in the conversations?
-Easterby and Cesario have the same agent. Did nobody talk to the agent? Did he not know about the clause?
-Why did Kraft have to call up Cal to tell him about the clause person to person? Again, why not just have some representative just say it outright after the initial request?

[ramssuperbowl99]

19 hours ago, lancerman said:

He’s just pissy over the Patriots. 

What? The Patriots beating the Rams this year was amazing. Until this week, my avatar was Brady holding up a Lombardi.

[ramssuperbowl99]

20 hours ago, Yin-Yang said:

The circumstances are different, but the principles are virtually the same. 

The rules say tampering isn’t allowed. In many cases, there are players who deserve to be starting but are stuck on depth charts. So is it not okay for GMs-players to tamper a year in advance, but okay for GMs-FO guys? Do you believe backup players hate their GMs for not letting them pursue starting positions elsewhere? 

So I’m wondering if your thoughts are consistent, or just cherrypicked. Because both players and FO members are considered contractual assets that a team has more incentive to keep than to let go (assuming they’re good at their jobs). 

The circumstances are wildly different, which is why the situations aren't comparable. The players come in through a union-negotiated contract that lets them be drafted and underpaid at the beginning of their careers, so that they can be overpaid at the end of their careers. That doesn't happen with front office personnel, who sign contracts at an individual level. 

[Soko]

2 hours ago, ramssuperbowl99 said:

The circumstances are wildly different, which is why the situations aren't comparable. The players come in through a union-negotiated contract that lets them be drafted and underpaid at the beginning of their careers, so that they can be overpaid at the end of their careers. That doesn't happen with front office personnel, who sign contracts at an individual level. 

So you won’t respond to the questions then? Guess the moral high ground is applied...well, whenever you feel like it.