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Is the Patriots roster actually GOOD? Or is it propped up by coaching?

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I think with a league average coach, this team wouldn’t even sniff the SB.

They are propped up by Belichick.

i mean, Chris Hogan has 2 SB rings. Why? Because he happened to go to the team whose coach can seemingly any player look good.

if Belichick was not around, this team would get smacked around. When BB retires, they’ll be just another team

 

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Definitely propped up by coaching.  They beat 3 teams in the playoffs who most would consider more talented than them due to coaching and great game management by their quarterback

Are they a favorite this season because of talent or coaching?  You decide

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The first few SB teams were loaded with incredible defensive talent but now the roster isn't nearly as good as a whole. Coaching definitely plays a bigger factor than the roster itself.

It is kind of a chicken/egg thing though. Is the roster bad and propped up by coaching or is it the roster is talented but no one else is smart enough to realize these  castoffs have something to offer?

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I mean you don't win 6 Super Bowls without having some talent.  But without Bellichick, imo they don't win any of them.  The thing is, most recently they've not necessarily been the most talented team but they've been the team playing the best when it matters.  All of those non-Patriots fans (myself included) hate it.  It's annoying, not because they're succeeding but like any sport seeing the same team on the top every single year, just gets old, but until someone plays good enough to change it, it's not going to change.  The Patriots also happened to play 2 of the weakest teams in the NFL in their last 2 SB wins in terms of how they matched up against NE; Atl showed their inability to play 60 minutes and Jared Goff proved he's not the starter everyone started to believe he is. 

Having said that, you've got to give guys like Brady and Edleman credit, they're out there ballin' it out every week, helping to put themselves in a position to succeed, and so far, they've done it.

I'd say 70% Coaching, 30% talent.

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4 hours ago, CKS97 said:

if Belichick was not around, this team would get smacked around. When BB retires, they’ll be just another team

It is almost all  Brady, very little for a coach who almost never talk to his offense. 

The reason Belichick can make those "genius" move by finding gold among stones, because he has Brady. That is why no other team can even try.

Watch the play in the video below, can you tell what Brady did special?

 

There is nothing special in the design that other team can’t copycat, it is what Brady did that no other QB can do.

Hint:

Why did Colts #52 move towards right? why was Colts #41 one step slower to stop White from getting TD?

other QBs don't have the skills required for this play, so the play wouldn't even be called, as it would lead to 3rd and goal, OC would rather call plays that throw into endzone TWICE.

The skills in this play helped Brady win the first SB in 2002,

This play shows some of the skills that make Brady the GOAT.

BTW,  2008 season proved that without Brady, Pats were just another AFCE team, even with Moss. BTW, Jets, Bills and Phins won 19 out of 30 against non AFCE teams.The worst AFCE team in that year won 7 games.

Edited by William Lee

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It's definitely a little of both.  Brady is one of the best QBs in the game, but Belichick might be the best coach.  And I definitely think more of the success is Belichick than it is Brady.

 

 

That and the cheating.

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1 hour ago, wwhickok said:

I'd say 70% Coaching, 30% talent.

Assume you know a little about addition, substraction and mltiplication.

Quote

 

On 2nd and 9, or 2nd and 10, you have to get first down with two more plays. Your offense is given two choices :

  1. Throw 10+ yards, you have 30% chance for each pass. A completed pass in 1 of 2 chances will give you 1st down.
  2. Throw short passes, like 3 to 7 yards, you have 70% chance for each pass. As a completed short pass doesn’t give you first down, you have to complete both passes to get first down.

Which one gives your offense better chance at getting first down?

99.99% of football fans think short passing game is an easier system than vertical passing system.

Now use math :

  1. In first case, you will fail to get first down only if you fail on both passes, the chance of failure is (100% - 30%) x (100% - 30%) = 49%. So you have 51% of getting first down.
  2. In second case, you will get first down only if you complete both passes, the chance of success is 70% x 70% = 49%.

Now you see how the entire football world is universally wrong!!!

 

Get it? the systems by Rodgers and Brees that wow you and make you high are the easiest systems for QB to command, and need least from neck up.

Edited by William Lee

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7 minutes ago, Daniel said:

It's definitely a little of both.  Brady is one of the best QBs in the game, but Belichick might be the best coach.  And I definitely think more of the success is Belichick than it is Brady.

What did Belichick do to improve offense between 2001 and 2006?

Brady was able to score 380 pts then without a top tier WR, sometimes even without 2nd tier WR.

Now with better WR, more experience and rule changes, he can score 440, and it is Belichick?

How dumb can people be?

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Belichick is a great coach but in terms of impact he is insanely overrated and Brady very underrated among most NFL fans.

 

The defense has been very average for the last 10 years since Bruschi, Seymour etc. left the team. 

 

The reality of the matter is that when you have this QB who scores about 450 points each year you aren't losing a lot of games. A lot more coaches would look good.

 

Brady made nobodies consistently look good and made BB look like a genius for signing them. 

 

Belichick was destined to be a 8-8 coach at best without Brady. Other coaches in NFL history who are seen as average would look elite with Brady.

 

Brady was destined for greatness regardless where he went. In fact he actually went to a horrible situation a team that was going to win maybe 4 games in 2001. He didn't have much idea what to do at the NFL level yet but his greatness allowed the Patriots to significantly overachieve and end the season on a 14-3 run. From 0-2 to 14-5.

 

Put Josh McDaniels on the sideline this year and most people would be like, 'yeah this guy is elite'.

 

Whiffing on countless draft picks, letting your best players walk out of the door, trade studs in mid season, have the worst defense in the league and still go to the Super Bowl.

 

You can get away with all that if you have Thomas Edward Patrick Brady Jr..

 

As far as impact I would put it between 80-90% in favor of Brady, closer to 90%.

 

 

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13 minutes ago, William Lee said:

What did Belichick do to improve offense between 2001 and 2006?

Brady was able to score 380 pts then without a top tier WR, sometimes even without 2nd tier WR.

Now with better WR, more experience and rule changes, he can score 440, and it is Belichick?

How dumb can people be?

Dumb enough to bold their sentences because it makes the argument stronger.

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8 minutes ago, Daniel said:

Dumb enough to bold their sentences because it makes the argument stronger.

What did Belichick do to improve offense between 2001 and 2006?

BTW, his letting Deion Branch go cost Pats 2006 season SB.

You have no clue, so you pull stupid "earth must be flat because I can't see it is round" BS.

How long have you pulled that BS?

If you have pulled BS over 10 years, then it is part of your specialty and you are dumb, because you should know what was going on before 2007.

Edited by William Lee

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Back to football, no need to get personal.

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