AlexGreen#20 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 7 hours ago, boratt said: Btw, I do think Daniels is in for a monster year. Clark as well. Both players are going to benefit from the growth of Lancaster, Lowry and Adams. Both should see more rest and be more impactful in 2019 than 2018. Because it's so frequent that players at 30 are more impactful than they were at 29 in schemes that don't fit their skillset? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 7 hours ago, boratt said: Woodson was 34 years old. He was not in his physical prime, although his skillset was being highlighted in such a way on that team that he still played that way. If we’re calling 34 Woodson in his prime, we need to call 30 year old Daniels in his prime too. A multi pro bowler in his prime. Woodson won DPOY in 2009. It was his best season as a pro. It might not have been his physical prime but it was an incredible season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 8 hours ago, boratt said: Williams declining speed will be nullified inside and his savvy highlighted Alexander and Kings abilities to play man or zone will take pressure off of the rookie Savage Amos’ experience will take pressure off the rookie Savage Williams experience inside will take pressure off the rookie, Savage. Savage, surrounded by experience, will have his speed and athleticism highlighted and his inexperience covered. Its the right fit of talents in the right spots, at the right times in their careers. That’s what I’m saying. I don't even know why you're assuming that Savage is going to be the starting FS and not Tramon with a different guy in the slot. This is a position battle that needs to be fought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 2 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said: I don't even know why you're assuming that Savage is going to be the starting FS and not Tramon with a different guy in the slot. This is a position battle that needs to be fought. It's one of the safer assumptions you could make, I don't really think "position battle" needs to be said when it comes to safety. Our starters are Amos and Savage. They put him in the starting defense on day 1 of OTAs, he's the starting safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 17 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: It's one of the safer assumptions you could make, I don't really think "position battle" needs to be said when it comes to safety. Our starters are Amos and Savage. They put him in the starting defense on day 1 of OTAs, he's the starting safety. I really don't think Day 1 starter in OTAs is nearly the crowning you're reporting it as. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boratt Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 (edited) Daniels is underrated not overrated. He’s had to play most of his career with a declining Matthews as his pass rush compliment and an oft injured Perry as the other. He’s had to do it himself. This year he has Clark, Z, Preston and Gary so he’s going to get the flash plays and stats that will make a less knowing person like you understand his value. I’ve enjoyed the banter this offseason. I’m especially excited to have some lines in the sand with Gary and Daniels and the defense as a whole. Now we get to wait and see how it plays. Edited July 8, 2019 by boratt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 20 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: I really don't think Day 1 starter in OTAs is nearly the crowning you're reporting it as. If I remember correctly Jaire came in behind King and Tramon last year, HHCD who was probably the most obvious round 1 starter we've ever taken played behind the UDFA scrub safeties we had back then up until the preseason games started. I can't recall a rookie that we instantly slotted as a starter from day 1. My take is, if they slot a vet ahead of you as a round 1 pick, that's a temporary positioning until the took is ready. If the rook is instantly put in there ahead of the vet, that's not changing until play in a game dictates as such. I don't see it becoming a position battle unless Savage is bad when it counts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 59 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: If I remember correctly Jaire came in behind King and Tramon last year, HHCD who was probably the most obvious round 1 starter we've ever taken played behind the UDFA scrub safeties we had back then up until the preseason games started. I can't recall a rookie that we instantly slotted as a starter from day 1. My take is, if they slot a vet ahead of you as a round 1 pick, that's a temporary positioning until the took is ready. If the rook is instantly put in there ahead of the vet, that's not changing until play in a game dictates as such. I don't see it becoming a position battle unless Savage is bad when it counts. Agree. Obviously I cant say Savage will start from day one - but I certainly hope he is. The pairing of him and Amos provides the best talent mix IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 1 hour ago, Packerraymond said: If I remember correctly Jaire came in behind King and Tramon last year, HHCD who was probably the most obvious round 1 starter we've ever taken played behind the UDFA scrub safeties we had back then up until the preseason games started. I can't recall a rookie that we instantly slotted as a starter from day 1. My take is, if they slot a vet ahead of you as a round 1 pick, that's a temporary positioning until the took is ready. If the rook is instantly put in there ahead of the vet, that's not changing until play in a game dictates as such. I don't see it becoming a position battle unless Savage is bad when it counts. I think you're viewing this thing through the lens of Capers. Savage is the starter long term and everybody knows it. He'll get his shot. There's no reason in walk throughs to have him sitting. It's just going to be a different game when camp opens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 1 hour ago, boratt said: Daniels is underrated not overrated. He’s had to play most of his career with a declining Matthews as his pass rush compliment and an oft injured Perry as the other. He’s had to do it himself. This year he has Clark, Z, Preston and Gary so he’s going to get the flash plays and stats that will make a less knowing person like you understand his value. I’ve enjoyed the banter this offseason. I’m especially excited to have some lines in the sand with Gary and Daniels and the defense as a whole. Now we get to wait and see how it plays. You're running two years too late, Daniels is definitely not underrated anymore. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 12 hours ago, boratt said: Mike Daniels > Pickett Kenny Clark > Raji Amos > Peprah Preston > Zombo Lowry/Gary/Fackrell > Bishop (they played 2-4 defense compared to our 3-3) Martinez = Hawk Alexander = Tramon 2010 rookie shields > king Matthews > Zadarius Collins > Savage Woodson > Tramon I think this defense has a chance to be similar to that one, honestly. Both in talent and also in fit. It’s a good fit of guys, who’s talents will be highlighted and weaknesses minimized, similar to in 2010. 2019 should have a better pass rush, 2010 a better secondary. But I do see this defense as being near the top of the league. And I see the 2019 secondary as being a really good mix of talents and skills that will compliment each other in a way that the sum together is greater than the individual parts. Man, I really dig your optimism. And I hope you are right! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boratt Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 1 hour ago, AlexGreen#20 said: You're running two years too late, Daniels is definitely not underrated anymore. He had a little bit of attention when he first came on but his sack numbers have never been what they could have been if he had better supporting cast. Clark, Zadarius, Preston, Gary and Fackrell in certain matchups give him a better supporting cast this year. I could see a 8+ sack season from Daniels with more one on ones and having squeezed pockets from Gary/Zadarius instead of having Matthews overrunning QBs and leaving escape routes. Daniels and Gary are the two guys I think benefit most from the current fit. Those two and Savage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 7 hours ago, boratt said: He had a little bit of attention when he first came on but his sack numbers have never been what they could have been if he had better supporting cast. Clark, Zadarius, Preston, Gary and Fackrell in certain matchups give him a better supporting cast this year. I could see a 8+ sack season from Daniels with more one on ones and having squeezed pockets from Gary/Zadarius instead of having Matthews overrunning QBs and leaving escape routes. Daniels and Gary are the two guys I think benefit most from the current fit. Those two and Savage. Let's pose the question, currently in the NFL, where does Daniels rank among 3/5T? Also, good chance Daniels gets left off the pressure package if Gary is as good as you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boratt Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 4 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Let's pose the question, currently in the NFL, where does Daniels rank among 3/5T? Also, good chance Daniels gets left off the pressure package if Gary is as good as you think. I’d say Daniels is a top 20 interior DL. Clark is top 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 5 hours ago, boratt said: I’d say Daniels is a top 20 interior DL. Clark is top 10. Just among primary 3/5T I'm not sure Daniels is top 20. Aaron Donald JJ Watt Cameron Heyward Akiem Hicks Jonathan Allen Calais Campbell Fletcher Cox Chris Jones Deforest Buckner Geno Atkins Sheldon Rankins Jurrell Casey Jarran Reed Kawann Short Malik Jackson Sheldon Richardson Then you've got a couple of guys who are close in Grady Jarrett, Suh, McCoy, Stephon Tuitt, Matt Ioannidis, Leonard Williams and Michael Bennett if you count him. This isn't even talking about Ideal 0/1T guys like: Clark Brandon Williams Linval Joseph Eddie Goldman Damon Harrison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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