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Robbie Gould Update; The Stalemate Continues

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9 hours ago, AZBearsFan said:

Top 30 of all time, not just top 30 in 2019. Significant difference there. Also, the number I posted was just FG percentage. Those guys for all-inclusive kicks are in the range you mention. 

I'm aware of that and I stand by my post. 

Give me a PK who can hit 90% of his kicks overall, PAT/FG, or keep looking.

You want the best at every position.

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9 hours ago, Superman(DH23) said:

A guy capable of hitting 88-90% of his kicks consistently would be the best in the history of the game.  When he says top 30, he is referring to all time.  Kicking is a fickle thing.  I understand exactly what he is saying.  It has become a situation where anything less than perfection is unacceptable.  Perfection is always unobtainable.  

So does that mean we should be willing to settle for less?

The best in the game have hit 88% or more of all kicks, PAT and FG.

Robbie Gould has hit 87.7% of his career FG attempts and 97.6% of his XP attempts.  His overall career accuracy is 93%.

Now, please tell me again just how impossible it is to find a PK whose that accurate and do you all understand what I'm saying?

We had him and Fox wanted him gone.  Hooray.....long live John Fox, the f'n moron.

 

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4 hours ago, soulman said:

I'm aware of that and I stand by my post. 

Give me a PK who can hit 90% of his kicks overall, PAT/FG, or keep looking.

You want the best at every position.

We want the best players??! That’s a novel concept! 🤷‍♂️😂

I agree with you. We are talking about the same level of player as the benchmark for acceptance. The guys I mentioned were the ones I mentioned because they meet that same criteria you’re talking about. 

Greg Zierlein: 177/212 FG, 222/228 XP for 399/440 overall (90.7%)

Matt Prater: 274/327 FG, 418/426 XP for 692/763 overall (90.7%)

Phil Dawson: 441/526 FG, 518/531 XP for 959/1057 overall (90.7%)

Dan Carpenter: 236/281 FG, 291/304 XP for 527/585 overall (90.1%)

Josh Brown: 319/380 FG, 438/441 XP for 757/821 overall (92.2%)

*Ryan Longwell: 361/434 FG, 604/613 XP for 965/1047 overall (92.2%)

*Matt Stover: 471/563 FG, 591/594 XP for 1062/1157 overall (91.8%)

*Careers ended before XP was moved back

That’s the level of player we NEED, with some clutch gene in there. Getting a guy better than that would be ideal, but is also a luxury. 

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3 hours ago, AZBearsFan said:

We want the best players??! That’s a novel concept! 🤷‍♂️😂

I agree with you. We are talking about the same level of player as the benchmark for acceptance. The guys I mentioned were the ones I mentioned because they meet that same criteria you’re talking about. 

Greg Zierlein: 177/212 FG, 222/228 XP for 399/440 overall (90.7%)

Matt Prater: 274/327 FG, 418/426 XP for 692/763 overall (90.7%)

Phil Dawson: 441/526 FG, 518/531 XP for 959/1057 overall (90.7%)

Dan Carpenter: 236/281 FG, 291/304 XP for 527/585 overall (90.1%)

Josh Brown: 319/380 FG, 438/441 XP for 757/821 overall (92.2%)

*Ryan Longwell: 361/434 FG, 604/613 XP for 965/1047 overall (92.2%)

*Matt Stover: 471/563 FG, 591/594 XP for 1062/1157 overall (91.8%)

*Careers ended before XP was moved back

That’s the level of player we NEED, with some clutch gene in there. Getting a guy better than that would be ideal, but is also a luxury. 

And that's all I was saying.

These guys are pros or wanna be pros.  Most have been kicking since HS and many have had college careers, attended kicking camps most of their lives, and some have had some preseason or pro league experience somewhere.

Expecting a competent NFL PK to make 90% of his total attempts shouldn't be an upper limit.  It should be a common expectation.

The greatest majority of kicks now come between 33-39 yards.  Most every NFL PK will attempt at least one XP and one FG per game from those distances.  That should be a PK's "sweet spot" and he should be 95%-99% from there. And he should be at least 88%-90% accurate between 40-49 yards.  50 yards and over 50%-60% is probably the best you'll get with any consistency.

Those are my targets and I hope they're Pace and Nagy's as well.

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8 hours ago, AZBearsFan said:

We want the best players??! That’s a novel concept! 🤷‍♂️😂

I agree with you. We are talking about the same level of player as the benchmark for acceptance. The guys I mentioned were the ones I mentioned because they meet that same criteria you’re talking about. 

Greg Zierlein: 177/212 FG, 222/228 XP for 399/440 overall (90.7%)

Matt Prater: 274/327 FG, 418/426 XP for 692/763 overall (90.7%)

Phil Dawson: 441/526 FG, 518/531 XP for 959/1057 overall (90.7%)

Dan Carpenter: 236/281 FG, 291/304 XP for 527/585 overall (90.1%)

Josh Brown: 319/380 FG, 438/441 XP for 757/821 overall (92.2%)

*Ryan Longwell: 361/434 FG, 604/613 XP for 965/1047 overall (92.2%)

*Matt Stover: 471/563 FG, 591/594 XP for 1062/1157 overall (91.8%)

*Careers ended before XP was moved back

That’s the level of player we NEED, with some clutch gene in there. Getting a guy better than that would be ideal, but is also a luxury. 

I think you have to do overall percentages without XPs as the old ones were near automatic.  

literally anyone can kick a short xtra point. 9 year olds do it. 

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5 hours ago, dll2000 said:

I think you have to do overall percentages without XPs as the old ones were near automatic.  

literally anyone can kick a short xtra point. 9 year olds do it. 

I have no idea where to find a data base that would allow us to extract only XP attempted and made from a LOS at the 25 yard line.

But my premise still holds.

If any PK is constantly practicing kicks from 33-39 yards he should have at least 95% accuracy from those distances.

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42 minutes ago, soulman said:

I have no idea where to find a data base that would allow us to extract only XP attempted and made from a LOS at the 25 yard line.

But my premise still holds.

If any PK is constantly practicing kicks from 33-39 yards he should have at least 95% accuracy from those distances.

I think this is one area where data and stats would really tell story of what should be expected.  I don't know what percentage of made kicks is or should be, but you should be at least within the mean or median of the other 31 kickers or not too far off it.  

I guess you could leave off everything less than 25 and more than 50 if you wanted to.  One should be near 100% and other should be much lower than rest.

 

 

 

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