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2 hours ago, wwhickok said:

Sutton has shown potential

Honestly, when? He has one game starting against the Patriots where he more or less just did his job. Outside of that, he doesn’t have a bunch of career marks. The games he played in and started last year were not great. I know Burns has made plays on the football, I know he has covered good receivers. I have no clue what Sutton has ever done. He falls in with what I call “Backup Qb syndrome”. You think he is the better option just because he is the next option — that doesn’t make him better, it just makes him different. 

3 hours ago, wwhickok said:

He has shown at least some ability to play safety

No...no he hasn’t. There is a gigantic difference between articles stating Sutton could be a back up safety and an actuality of Sutton being able to play safety. I understand he has taken SOME snaps there in camp/practice - but have we seen him play NFL Sunday level safety? No, we haven’t, so it’s an erroneous statement to make.

That’s a pretty good Segway into why I’ll have this argument. You THINK Sutton is a better option because you want him to be- and that’s fine. But there is nothing in 2 years that’s shows he IS. That’s my issue with the “Artie Burns is at best the 6th CB”. There is no one on this roster that flat out deserves that spot more. Sutton, Burns, and Allen are all AT LEAST on equal footing for it. Any of them can take it, but to think Burns is so far off he can’t even be the 5th guy is being dishonest. 

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5 hours ago, wwhickok said:

Sutton has shown potential and need for improvement. He has shown at least some ability to play safety. But he has proven to be a prospect.

Burns started his career very good and it's been all down hill since. While it's not impossible the he turns it around I think it's extremely unrealistic to think that happens.

I WANT Burns to become the man we drafted him to be, I don't believe he will be.

Justin Layne might be unproven but he will get, imo, more opportunities than Burns this season. Nelson and Haden are automatically in front of him and Hilton should be too

I haven't seen any of that. At least no more then any other player. I know I was pleasantly surprised by his Rookie year given I thought he was a reach but you may be correct in that Burns may never be the guy he was drafted to be. I think @Dcash4hit the nail on the head when he said for some people, the unknown of Sutton seems like the better option then the known of Burns. I don't agree with the sentiment but I do understand it. As for Lane, if they continue to use the "CBs 8 yards off the LOS" scheme he may end up being worse then Burns. 

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That may be true about Layne I think ppl gotta stop acting like it's a stretch to say Burns has been trash in the last few years and deserves to be cut.

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14 minutes ago, wwhickok said:

I think ppl gotta stop acting like it's a stretch to say Burns has been trash

I don’t think anyone has said this. I feel everyone realizes he hasn’t been good and it’s a solid chance he doesn’t make the cut. 

15 minutes ago, wwhickok said:

deserves to be cut.

I don’t mind if you feel this way - I won’t say it’s wrong, but the idea that he should be cut because of Sutton or anyone else is wrong. None of them deserve any level of status. It’s all up for grabs. 

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17 minutes ago, wwhickok said:

That may be true about Layne I think ppl gotta stop acting like it's a stretch to say Burns has been trash in the last few years and deserves to be cut.

I think it has MORE to do with there isn't much left in the cupboard. Meaning, he isn't drastically worse then what's left. I didn't like the pick (still don't) but I do think he is being used incorrectly. 

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11 hours ago, wwhickok said:

That may be true about Layne I think ppl gotta stop acting like it's a stretch to say Burns has been trash in the last few years and deserves to be cut.

Strawman. 

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10 hours ago, wwhickok said:

He shouldn't be cut because of someone else. He should be cut because of himself.

I don’t mind this argument. Not worded quite like that, but the notion of just moving on from Burns. That I understand. If we just say hey it’s time to move on, the direction which we are going is admitting you failed and just turning the page. 

That I get. Saying he doesn’t have a shot against the other back end guys, that’s what I struggle with.

10 hours ago, wwhickok said:

Our secondary imo was at its worst with him on the field 

And it wasn’t decidedly better with Sutton on it either. That’s why I have a very hard time understanding what make Burns at best the 6th like there is some sort of gap that’s not debatable. There is no one hands down better and, of the rest, Burns has by far shown the most. I’m willing to blindly make an assumption that Layne is the 4th for the purposes of this argument, but I’m not willing to blindly say Sutton, Allen, or anyone else brings more to the table for that 5th spot than Burns. 

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I think Burns sucks, but Sutton hasn't shown anything better.  As far as I'm concerned, both would struggle to make any roster with semi decent secondary depth, but will make ours because we have next to none.

Burns at best is a poor man's Ike Taylor...nice athletic talent, but well below average instincts.  Just like Ike, he is abysmal at tracking the ball in the air.  

Bottom line...Burns sucks, but between his athleticism, the fact that he was a first round pick, and our lack of CB depth, he is definitely going to make the roster in 2019.  They damn well better decline his 5th year option, though.

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8 hours ago, FourThreeMafia said:

They damn well better decline his 5th year option, though.

Already done. Deadline passed in early May. Its put up or shut up time for an NFL job with Burns. 

Not that I expect him to actually play defense, but I think he could have a +year NFL career on ST......just, hopefully not with us. 

 

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3 hours ago, Dcash4 said:

Already done. Deadline passed in early May. Its put up or shut up time for an NFL job with Burns. 

Not that I expect him to actually play defense, but I think he could have a +year NFL career on ST......just, hopefully not with us. 

 

Yeah, thought maybe that passed, but didnt see anything about it.

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On 2019-07-13 at 11:15 PM, wwhickok said:

He shouldn't be cut because of someone else. He should be cut because of himself.

exactly, no better way to word this. A player should be cut based on how they play regardless of draft pick status and salary . Move on and get better players is what should help the team instead of keeping someone around that has proven to be a deficit  to the team. Where is the emoticon of the head smashing into the brick wall?

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