ccecilnosebleed Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Can anyone here honestly say they think Fackrell is a 10.5 sack guy ever again? I mean, HONESTLY. I know sometimes it's hard to not be a Packer fan, but if Fackrell has another 10.5 sack season I need to start playing the lottery a lot more often. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 2 hours ago, ccecilnosebleed said: Can anyone here honestly say they think Fackrell is a 10.5 sack guy ever again? I mean, HONESTLY. I know sometimes it's hard to not be a Packer fan, but if Fackrell has another 10.5 sack season I need to start playing the lottery a lot more often. He's more likely to have 10.5 sacks in the rest of this career total than 10.5 in a season again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBobGray Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 It wouldn't shock me at all if Fackrell had several more 10+ sack seasons in his career. This doesn't mean I think he's an elite rusher or that the Packers should keep him, but I feel like there's a big disconnect to what kind of player he is. He's not an effort guy; dude has very real physical talent. He had an ACL in September 2014, and in April 2016 he put up a 4.72s 40, 34.5" vert, and a 121" broad jump at 6'5", 245. They're not mind-blowing numbers, but they're definitely in the range of a starting NFL pass rusher. Thing is, he also clearly wasn't back to his pre-ACL self at that point either. Even from 2016 - 2017 you can see a big difference in his flexibility, bend, and power. He can legitimately do it all physically; if you put Mike Daniel's brain in his body he'd be an All-Pro. But he doesn't have Mike Daniel's brain, he has Kyler Fackrell's brain, and that's produced a very different player. He's dangerous; he put some work in against some very good NFL tackles last year. But he's also inconsistent and he doesn't really affect an offense; as in, I can't imagine a defense coordinator being willing to say out loud that they gameplanned for Kyler Fackrell, ever in his career. His pass rush wins are nice and show refined technique, but he doesn't usually build on them throughout the game. He just picks moves and they work or they don't. He can set a stiff edge, except when he doesn't. He's great (for an OLB) in coverage because of his length and change of direction ability, but he doesn't show any kind of instincts for it. In short, he's exactly the kind of guy I can see getting 10 sacks a year for like four different teams, because he's a productive player that you're always looking to replace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 3 hours ago, ccecilnosebleed said: Can anyone here honestly say they think Fackrell is a 10.5 sack guy ever again? SMH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 6 hours ago, Donzo said: Another big game for the O-line... They were fantastic the first game. The depth looks amazing. Because of the depth, I could see them maybe keeping 10 linemen and only 3 TEs. Lights can be a semi 4th TE, and the Packers could keep a couple TEs (Baylis & McKever) on the PS. I also think Taylor, and his $4M + cap number, could be in trouble. Jenkins and McCray could very well be better options at this point, especially with new OL scheme. Jenkins is a freak; McCray may very well be a better version of 2016 Taylor. He's certainly much more versatile. Good OL talk! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skibrett15 Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, Donzo said: Good OL talk! lol quoting yourself what a power move. Edit: power like OL big strong men. Strong push other guys out of way. Big Strong Power. Edited August 15, 2019 by skibrett15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo Posted August 15, 2019 Share Posted August 15, 2019 Just now, skibrett15 said: lol quoting yourself what a power move. Edit: power like OL big strong men. Strong push other guys out of way. Big Strong Power. Yeah, just just trying to if there's any OL talk out there... There should be thread for that- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 2 hours ago, MrBobGray said: It wouldn't shock me at all if Fackrell had several more 10+ sack seasons in his career. This doesn't mean I think he's an elite rusher or that the Packers should keep him, but I feel like there's a big disconnect to what kind of player he is. He's not an effort guy; dude has very real physical talent. He had an ACL in September 2014, and in April 2016 he put up a 4.72s 40, 34.5" vert, and a 121" broad jump at 6'5", 245. They're not mind-blowing numbers, but they're definitely in the range of a starting NFL pass rusher. Thing is, he also clearly wasn't back to his pre-ACL self at that point either. Even from 2016 - 2017 you can see a big difference in his flexibility, bend, and power. He can legitimately do it all physically; if you put Mike Daniel's brain in his body he'd be an All-Pro. But he doesn't have Mike Daniel's brain, he has Kyler Fackrell's brain, and that's produced a very different player. He's dangerous; he put some work in against some very good NFL tackles last year. But he's also inconsistent and he doesn't really affect an offense; as in, I can't imagine a defense coordinator being willing to say out loud that they gameplanned for Kyler Fackrell, ever in his career. His pass rush wins are nice and show refined technique, but he doesn't usually build on them throughout the game. He just picks moves and they work or they don't. He can set a stiff edge, except when he doesn't. He's great (for an OLB) in coverage because of his length and change of direction ability, but he doesn't show any kind of instincts for it. In short, he's exactly the kind of guy I can see getting 10 sacks a year for like four different teams, because he's a productive player that you're always looking to replace. This is my favorite thing about watching Fackrell's game. A lot of the sacks he gets are textbook moves. They work incredibly once, and it leads to a clean sack and then they never work again for the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccecilnosebleed Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) How about Alex Light? Happy Donzo? Fackrell feels mostly like an Erik Walden or Frank Zombo which is at best a guy that gets you something but often not in clutch moments, and is the definition of journeyman if there is one. That sure doesn’t feel like trade bait in a contract year. But seriously though, Elgton Jenkins is a beast. Edited August 16, 2019 by ccecilnosebleed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 (edited) 19 hours ago, CWood21 said: I'll put it out there, his value is incredibly volatile. Given how much we need pass rushers in this league, you'd probably think we'd at least get something. But given his ridiculous unsustainable sack to pressure ratio along with his pending FA status, it's going to be hard pressed to think we're going to get much for him. You, my good man, are a poet. Those are exactly the words to describe that situation. Edited August 16, 2019 by vegas492 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packerraymond Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 Feel great about the starting OL after last week. Unsure if Taylor is going to be able to hold off Jenkins, that guy is ready. Feel much worse about the backups. Madison isn't ready, De Beer and Nijman aren't roster-able as much as I think they both have gifts. Light is OK, McCray is OK, Patrick is OK. The hell did we cut Spriggs for??? Right now I'd keep 8 OL. Turner is my backup RT. Jenkins is my starting LG. Any OG gets hurt, Taylor comes in. Bulaga gets hurt, Turner to RT and Taylor to RG. Linsley gets hurt, Jenkins to center, Taylor to LG. Light is the backup LT (holy crap that's a scary notion). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 2 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: The hell did we cut Spriggs for??? he's injured i thought? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 3 minutes ago, Packerraymond said: Feel great about the starting OL after last week. Unsure if Taylor is going to be able to hold off Jenkins, that guy is ready. Feel much worse about the backups. Madison isn't ready, De Beer and Nijman aren't roster-able as much as I think they both have gifts. Light is OK, McCray is OK, Patrick is OK. The hell did we cut Spriggs for??? Right now I'd keep 8 OL. Turner is my backup RT. Jenkins is my starting LG. Any OG gets hurt, Taylor comes in. Bulaga gets hurt, Turner to RT and Taylor to RG. Linsley gets hurt, Jenkins to center, Taylor to LG. Light is the backup LT (holy crap that's a scary notion). quoting the rest of this. I know reserve tackles are desirable, but I suspect some team out there has more wealth at tackle and more need at WR than us. Would like to see a WR/OT roster bubble player trade. Maybe Philly? I doubt they deal Vaitai unless future picks are involved too, but if Jordan Mailata is in our top 8, could work. They could use a Kumerow on that roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Packer_ESP Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 5 minutes ago, incognito_man said: he's injured i thought? Everyone has assumed we cut him because he sucks, which is what everyone seems to want to believe. I don't know if I'm missed something but personally I haven't dismissed the possibility that he's actually hurt and we still haven't decided what to do with him for the future 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted August 16, 2019 Share Posted August 16, 2019 1 hour ago, Packerraymond said: Feel great about the starting OL after last week. Unsure if Taylor is going to be able to hold off Jenkins, that guy is ready. Feel much worse about the backups. Madison isn't ready, De Beer and Nijman aren't roster-able as much as I think they both have gifts. Light is OK, McCray is OK, Patrick is OK. The hell did we cut Spriggs for??? Right now I'd keep 8 OL. Turner is my backup RT. Jenkins is my starting LG. Any OG gets hurt, Taylor comes in. Bulaga gets hurt, Turner to RT and Taylor to RG. Linsley gets hurt, Jenkins to center, Taylor to LG. Light is the backup LT (holy crap that's a scary notion). Thats why you're my GM. Make it happen and let me know when it's done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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