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1 hour ago, broncos67 said:

Hollins did not have a good game in any way shape or form but he's a rookie, so I mean, those things will happen. He looked a bit lost and slow last night.

Schlottman I didn't notice much, but he definitely got rag-dolled on one pass play in particular, but clearly he's shown a lot if he's moving up the chart.

To be fair to Hollins they have also moved him inside for a couple of weeks and then back to EDGE.   It’s a big adjustment for any rookie but EDGE and ILB are 2 completely different animals.  

I didn’t see much of Malik Reed last night.   I hope he isn’t peaking because cutting Jeff Holland was the direct result of Reed & Hollins pushing him down the depth chart (no argument with Hollins or Reed in a vacuum but Holland looked like a rotation worthy EDGE last year once called up - sucks that we are so thin everywhere in the roster but have EDGE depth most other teams would envy). 

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1 hour ago, Broncofan said:

To be fair to Hollins they have also moved him inside for a couple of weeks and then back to EDGE.   It’s a big adjustment for any rookie but EDGE and ILB are 2 completely different animals.  

I didn’t see much of Malik Reed last night.   I hope he isn’t peaking because cutting Jeff Holland was the direct result of Reed & Hollins pushing him down the depth chart (no argument with Hollins or Reed in a vacuum but Holland looked like a rotation worthy EDGE last year once called up - sucks that we are so thin everywhere in the roster but have EDGE depth most other teams would envy). 

Reed didn't play. Lot of second level depth guys sat last night. 

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10 minutes ago, BroncoBruin said:

Reed didn't play. Lot of second level depth guys sat last night. 

Well that's good news.  Did Wallace sit too?  I didn't see any of him either.   I was so focused on our ILB and OL play, I realized I wasn't following our 2nd team EDGE play at all.

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Well this really sucks.  

Why?  Because Jeff Holland got waived (and then claimed by ARI with the #1 priority) because he was #5 at best on the EDGE depth chart, passed by Wallace, and without ST ability wasn’t going to make the roster, according to reports last week.   Damn.  Guess Hollins seem like a lock to stay at EDGE and Reed to make the team as a top 4 guy.  

I can’t blame Elway for saying the starting unit might not get much time.  The OL needs more reps but otherwise avoiding more injuries is key given our lack of roster depth.  

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Leary's chronic knee flaring up again and Davis still not practicing after almost five weeks. Team's just being slowly gutted by these small injuries, one after another. 

I think we're getting a good read on what this team is. There is plenty of individual talent, enough to be competitive with good teams when healthy. But the wheels will really come off if they lose 1 or 2 core guys, and there's always a decent chance of that happening. I see a young team that will make us proud at times but by December, probably fade. The defense will provide a lot of fun moments and I'd bet we're looking at Chubb as the best player on the team sooner than later. 

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9 minutes ago, BroncoBruin said:

Leary's chronic knee flaring up again and Davis still not practicing after almost five weeks. Team's just being slowly gutted by these small injuries, one after another. 

I think we're getting a good read on what this team is. There is plenty of individual talent, enough to be competitive with good teams when healthy. But the wheels will really come off if they lose 1 or 2 core guys, and there's always a decent chance of that happening. I see a young team that will make us proud at times but by December, probably fade. The defense will provide a lot of fun moments and I'd bet we're looking at Chubb as the best player on the team sooner than later. 

The likelihood increases as time goes on that Todd Davis has more than a calf strain but wear and tear from the Achilles.   He’s a limited player but if that’s the case we are paper thin at ILB.  Ugh. 

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2 hours ago, BroncoBruin said:

Leary's chronic knee flaring up again and Davis still not practicing after almost five weeks. Team's just being slowly gutted by these small injuries, one after another. 

I think we're getting a good read on what this team is. There is plenty of individual talent, enough to be competitive with good teams when healthy. But the wheels will really come off if they lose 1 or 2 core guys, and there's always a decent chance of that happening. I see a young team that will make us proud at times but by December, probably fade. The defense will provide a lot of fun moments and I'd bet we're looking at Chubb as the best player on the team sooner than later. 

Totally agree with this.

Our interior defensive front is nothing better than above average in the run game, so when you factor in our (at best) below average ILB's, I really fear we're going to get blown off the ball in the run game on Defense.

I would full expect teams to get us in our Nickel package then ram it down our throats. If you have to bring a Safety down to help in that regard, it makes you so limited from a coverage perspective in early downs where blitzing is much more difficult (Cover 1/Cover 3 are the only real options).

This is nothing new - it happened all of last year, the Jets game in particular if you can remember that shambles. We basically Cover 1 exclusively in early downs and the Jets ripped us to pieces.

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Looks like Hogan is getting the start against the Rams. Perhaps he is giving Flacco a run for his money as the Broncos' starting QB.

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I touched on this in the Week 2 preseason GD thread, but if this comes to pass - then it also puts Elway in a tough spot for Opening Day.  We have 4 guys now with serious injuries where reg. season time is going to be missed - Lock, Janovich, Riddick & Joseph Jones.   You can only IR-return 2 guys all year - and you MUST keep them on the 53-man roster when cuts are made first, then put them on IR-return.  So we're talking about cutting down to 49 active guys, keeping those 4, and then putting 2 on IR-return, and hoping we can get back 2 of the 4 extra guys we cut back from clearing waivers.

I said it before, I'll say it again now - with this context in mind, Elway should really consider cutting Theo Riddick (injury release).   Riddick came with a 1M guarantee - but he also came with likely a contract with offset language.    Which means if another team signed him, DEN would recover whatever $ they got from that 2nd contract.   Now the other wrinkle - any team that signs a vet after Week 1 can go week-to-week with that vet.  So if we cut Riddick, knowing his injury, we likely wouldn't get all of the 1M back - maybe half.  But we'd also save the 1.5M in other bonuses that Riddick could make if he stays on the roster.

We absolutely need Lock on IR-return, and frankly, Janovich & even Joe Jones is more difficult to replace (given he's an actual ILB, our worst spot by far) than Theo Riddick.  Plus Jones is actually a very good ST player, and that's clearly needed - and he's cheap for 2 more years (my main reason TBH).   

I disliked the Riddick signing before because it was a 1-year win-now move with no future hope of sticking beyond 2019, on a team with unrealistic chances of contention, and more built for 2020+ contention.  But keeping Riddick would be insane now, given he's already hurting, a huge risk for re-occurrence, and the roster crunch we're about to face, if the news on Lock (and the news on Janovich & Joe Jones) are already known.   Out of all the guys hurt, Riddick is both the most replaceable short-term, the most expensive, and the guy with zero long-term potential.   Plus, doing it now saves $, and introduces the chance for another team to sign him Week 2, and we recover up to 650K out of the 1M spent.  Come on, Elway...

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