FF Big Big Brother 8: Finn wins! Postgame show NOW

[MacReady]

Just now, Nazgul said:

What do you guys think of my new cover image for my profile?

Should have been:

[mission27]

2 hours ago, Outpost31 said:

@Nazgul, I feel bad for the tough loss you just faced.  I know it's not what you want to hear right now, but my decision was NOT personal.  As I'll explain, it was based on our one fundamental difference of opinion in this game. 

I do respect your game.  You play a hell of a game in these things.  You and @Dwight_Schrute I always consider the greatest threats in these games because unlike anyone else in these games (no offense everyone else), you understand how to communicate in these things to keep you from harm.  It is why every single year I make sure to keep the two of you as close as I can while also being extremely wary of you both. 

Believe it or not, if you had been up against an inferior opponent, I would have voted for you to win in spite of what you did to me.  This is a testament to Finn's game.  I truly believe he was deserving of the win.  He was the James K. Polk of Big Brother.  In spite of being the wrong decisions for the wrong reasons, @FinneasGage laid out exactly what he wanted to accomplish with no pretense, no disguises, and with reckless abandon to how he would be perceived, and by God he did it.  The similarities Finn has to Polk are almost unbelievable.  He said from the beginning that he didn't care if he won, he just wanted someone good to win (similar to Polk promising and delivering on only one term as President).  From the very beginning he laid out his goals (get rid of BDL, make sure someone good wins) just like Polk wanted Texas, Oregon and California.  They both did it.  What he accomplished was nothing short of a miracle.  You, on the other hand, were more like some other one term President.  Lofty ambitions, but what you did to get there prevented you from your second term (win).  Maybe John Quincy Adams.  Perfectly played your way into the finals, but, like John Quincy's questionable closed door meeting with Clay (which led to Clay's appointment to Secretary of State) that led to the Presidency, it was that move that prevented both Clay (me) and John Quincy Adams (you) from ever being President again (winning). 

Our rivalry stems solely from jury portion decision making.  That's it.  Look at my diary entries.  They clearly outline my entire thought process of the Jury portion.  With Pickle, I felt (incorrectly) that forcing a tie between Pickle and Touch would show Pickle that I did vote for him to stay.  This would potentially give me Pickle's vote in the finals.  When the decision was between Flux and Finn to nominate, I did that solely to gain the Mission and TLO vote.  Every decision I made in the jury portion reflected trying to balance the votes.  I may be wrong, and I'd love some input from @mission27, @TLO, @Pickle Rick, @ET80, @Adrenaline_Flux, @theuntouchable on whether or not I'm right, but I truly believe I was setting myself up well for the voting to go my way.  Knowing what you know BEFORE the diary entries, BEFORE the voting process, would you have voted for ME over NAZGUL or FINN? 

I conceded defeat for two reasons:

1. My impatience is my Achilles heal.
2. I did not want to lose your vote or Finn's vote. 

At that point, I felt like I could count 100% on ET's vote, Touch's vote, Finn's vote 100%.  That would leave me with only needing to convince one of Flux, Pickle, Mission or TLO to win. 

I backstab, lie and betray my way to the Jury Portion because I know I can do whatever I want without consequences from players who are NOT in the jury.  Then, once it gets to jury portion, I become extremely duplicitous and try to get others to do my dirty work.  You seem to do the opposite, and THAT is why I voted against you.  I truly, honestly, fully believe that behavior in the jury portion is the most important aspect in these games and that there is no hope of winning if you play it poorly.  I've seen it in every BB I've been a part of, I've seen it in every Survivor that I've hosted. 

On campaigning, I feel bad that you think it's not fair.  I truly believe it when I say "Jury Talks."  In fact, I count on it.  I constantly consider what jury members are talking about from the jury house.  It's why I posted that big description when I nominated Finn (I felt certain that would get me the TLO/Mission vote).  I try to play these games with as much integrity as I possibly can.  I would NEVER cheat or do ANYTHING that I felt went against the integrity of this game.  EVER.  To be accused otherwise is kind of insulting, but I get it and I don't hold it against you because I know the pain you're feeling.  Look through my diary entries and you'll see that there were several challenges I did NOT want to win.  In fact, I WANTED to lose.  One that comes to mind is the POV that sent Mission home.  Mission even asked me to throw the challenge.  I told him flat out I cannot do that.  I WANTED to throw the challenge because it was good for me if Mission stayed in.  I could not do it.  In Survivor I, I tried my best to outlaw throwing challenges.  I hate it.  I feel it goes completely against the integrity of the game. 

Ask @Pickle Rick.  I told Whicker that I didn't believe he had nothing to do with my nomination.  He sent me a screenshot PROVING that he tried to get Orca nominated.  That, I felt, was against the integrity of the game.  So when Pickle asked me to see that screenshot that Whicker had sent to me, I flat out told him I won't do it because I think it's against the integrity of the game. 

How I measure the integrity of the game is whether or not it can happen in the real game.  People can say, "He said this to me."  They cannot play back the audio. 

With the Jury Talks angle, players get sent to the Jury House.  While there, they TALK.  They share their thoughts on who they believe ought to win the game.  There's like a full week that goes by between the last person sent out and the final vote.  There has to be time for Jury Members to talk, and privately at that.  I do not feel like that is against the integrity of the game, and I feel like it would be against the integrity of the game if Jury members DIDN'T talk.  They have to know the whole story.  What went on between players, what was promised, what wasn't, what they think motivations were, who they think played a better game, etc. 

I know I fight hard against you in these games, but I'm fighting for what I believe is best for the game, and for whom I think it is best to make the winner.  It is NOT personal, I do NOT hate you, I highly respect your game, but your jury portion game is fundamentally different from mine, and if I believe fully that one method of gameplay is best, I am going to vote for who I believe played that method closest to my beliefs. 

Tbh I’m too hammered to read this all but just want you to know the MoL was probably not gonna vote for you either way 

[ET80]

Got wrecked yesterday. Really trying to recover right now. Bloody Marys while golfing will help.

[Pickle Rick]

15 minutes ago, Nazgul said:

What do you guys think of my new cover image for my profile?

Much better 

[MacReady]

Just now, mission27 said:

Tbh I’m too hammered to read this all but just want you to know the MoL was probably not gonna vote for you either way 

You're saying that after I fought for Finn to win and before I had a chance to defend my game against Finn or Nazgul, but I know.  I was not counting on your vote or TLO's vote, and I was also not counting on Pickle's vote. 

I made a lot of mistakes with a lot of members of the jury, and I was trying to play a final 9 to compensate for that.  I probably would not have won this year. 

[mission27]

to piggy back in my own posts 

MoL values loyalty and skill

everyone has their own style but in my mind an ideal strategy involves being straight forward, building strong relationships, and winning on the merits of your social and comp game with as little back stabbing as possible 

obvi situations where you have to pick between allies and that is where strong relationships come in but you should never relish it

This is why we’ve always worked well with guys like jfin and bbf and less well with others 

this is why MoL is a good ally for you all going forward and you should re consider your wicked ways 

unfortunately some people like outpost and burger like being the villain and thinking they are smarter than everyone.  At the end of the day being a shady individual will always come back to bite you on the ***

[MacReady]

1 minute ago, mission27 said:

to piggy back in my own posts 

MoL values loyalty and skill

everyone has their own style but in my mind an ideal strategy involves being straight forward, building strong relationships, and winning on the merits of your social and comp game with as little back stabbing as possible 

obvi situations where you have to pick between allies and that is where strong relationships come in but you should never relish it

This is why we’ve always worked well with guys like jfin and bbf and less well with others 

this is why MoL is a good ally for you all going forward and you should re consider your wicked ways 

unfortunately some people like outpost and burger like being the villain and thinking they are smarter than everyone.  At the end of the day being a shady individual will always come back to bite you on the ***

Best get off your high horse with that loyalty BS.  The reason I got rid of you is because you lied directly to my face last Big Brother and told me both you and Shady were voting to keep me after saying you had a final three with me and then CAMPAIGNING HARD to get everybody to vote me out.  Multiple people told me that you threatened them if they didn’t vote me out.  
 

I am loyal to a fault with people I feel I can trust and last year you did absolutely nothing to show that you are either loyal or trustworthy.  So call me a back stabbed all you want, it was a choice between you or ET.  I knew I could trust ET based off BB7.  I knew I could not trust you based off BB7,  

[mission27]

3 minutes ago, Outpost31 said:

You're saying that after I fought for Finn to win and before I had a chance to defend my game against Finn or Nazgul, but I know.  I was not counting on your vote or TLO's vote, and I was also not counting on Pickle's vote. 

I made a lot of mistakes with a lot of members of the jury, and I was trying to play a final 9 to compensate for that.  I probably would not have won this year. 

Tbh at the end of the day you be worked behind the back of the MoL and insulted our intelligence by thinking we didn’t know and that is unforgivable 

if you want to kick me in the nuts kick me in the nuts but don’t try to sneak up behind me mission is an all seeing all knowing stable genius 

[mission27]

Just now, Outpost31 said:

Best get off your high horse with that loyalty BS.  The reason I got rid of you is because you lied directly to my face last Big Brother and told me both you and Shady were voting to keep me after saying you had a final three with me and then CAMPAIGNING HARD to get everybody to vote me out.  Multiple people told me that you threatened them if they didn’t vote me out.  
 

I am loyal to a fault with people I feel I can trust and last year you did absolutely nothing to show that you are either loyal or trustworthy.  So call me a back stabbed all you want, it was a choice between you or ET.  I knew I could trust ET based off BB7.  I knew I could not trust you based off BB7,  

We weren’t allies last BB at all 

lying to someone you don’t have an allegiance to is much different and should be expected 

[mission27]

2 minutes ago, mission27 said:

We weren’t allies last BB at all 

lying to someone you don’t have an allegiance to is much different and should be expected 

Also tbh I literally have no idea who you are prior to this game like you went on and on when you proposed an alliance about how we had some sort of rivalry so it’d be good optics I have literally no memory of any of this and will probably forget you again by the next game tbh

[MacReady]

2 minutes ago, mission27 said:

Tbh at the end of the day you be worked behind the back of the MoL and insulted our intelligence by thinking we didn’t know and that is unforgivable 

if you want to kick me in the nuts kick me in the nuts but don’t try to sneak up behind me mission is an all seeing all knowing stable genius 

I never worked against you unless I had to in order to protect my #1 alliance.

 

2 minutes ago, mission27 said:

We weren’t allies last BB at all 

lying to someone you don’t have an allegiance to is much different and should be expected 

You literally made a final three deal with me.  Me, you and Shady.  We literally worked together as soon as TLO left that game.  You literally reached out to me and said you wanted to start an alliance.

Your drinking is interfering with your memory now.  I’m concerned for your well-being.

[mission27]

1 minute ago, Outpost31 said:

I never worked against you unless I had to in order to protect my #1 alliance.

 

You literally made a final three deal with me.  Me, you and Shady.  We literally worked together as soon as TLO left that game.  You literally reached out to me and said you wanted to start an alliance.

Your drinking is interfering with your memory now.  I’m concerned for your well-being.

I have zero memory of any of this 

@Shady Slim is this true 

[TLO]

1 minute ago, Outpost31 said:

Your drinking is interfering with your memory now.  I’m concerned for your well-being.

Take a number tbh

[mission27]

Did you hvw a different name 

[MacReady]

Just now, mission27 said:

Did you hvw a different name 

I was probably still HorizonToZenith at the time. 

It's the truth.  I even alluded to it when I didn't use the POV on you.  Ultimately I really, really, really wanted to keep you here because I think you're fun to work with.  That bravado of yours is hilarious to be on the right side of.  But I knew for a fact that if I used the POV on you, Finn would be against me, and ET would be on the block. 

ET was who I chose to work with from the beginning.  My first PM in this game was to ET and it said, "One of us is winning this year and I don't care who it is."  My loyalty to him never ONCE wavered.  Even when I thought he betrayed me.  Finn was my #2.  You were the person I had as my #3 all along.  That's the exact order I made deals with, and I stuck to them up until Finn said our alliance was dead. 

When I make definite, concrete deals with people, I stick to them 100% and I will literally jeopardize my game fighting for them.

I jeopardized my game in the FIRST CYCLE to save Finn, even though I knew it was better to work with Orca/Pickle.
I took ET off the block when you, Finn and TLO all wanted me to keep them the same. 

To call me disloyal is flat out 100% wrong.  I SPECIFICALLY watch my word usage and dance around making concrete deals with people if I don't intend on keeping them.