dll2000 Posted July 24, 2019 Author Share Posted July 24, 2019 11 minutes ago, vegas492 said: I agree. Added good players. I'd also add, replaced garbage. HHCD, Brice, Bell, Matthews, Perry. Much love for Matthews, but he was a shell of his former self last year. HHCD had talent, but no heart. And that didn't improve in Washington. I know you guys are excited to have him. If you get 2016 HHCD, you'll love him. If 2017 or 2018 HHCD shows up, you will cut him. He'll let everyone down. And I can't see your coaches putting up with that. I would say that Z Smith has the potential to be a difference maker and a star. Not a star like Mack. He's not that elite. But I think Z could be a 10-12 sack guy. Remember, Pettine schemes for sacks and Z has some great hands and a motor that won't quit. If the undertalented Fackrell can get 10.5 sacks via scheme, Z can easily get 10-12. That's the one I"m watching closely. Gary is pure boom/bust. I'm counting on very little from him early. But by week 10, he should be getting some nice snaps in pressure packages. And he could very well turn some heads early as teams aren't ready for his size/speed combo. We lost Mike Daniels last year. Week 12. Defense didn't suffer. He had 18 tackles and 2 sacks in 10 games and change. How would that stack on your line? Any cause for concern if that player was released? Yah, this isn't the young Daniels we released. It was the aged version who was slowing down, poor scheme fit, injured and expensive. Lowry is average to slightly above average. Quick, strong, extremely smart. Small arms. He "almost" makes a lot of plays. Solid guy. No where near the upside as a young/healthy Daniels. But he's much more reliable. Honestly I don't know what GB is thinking. I believe they said they liked the young kids, which would be Adams and Keke. I don't know. If I were a betting man, I'd say GB gets Mo Wilkerson back on the cheap to eat some snaps on the DL. (Pettine connection) And if they don't, yah, I'm worried about the line being thin. Yeah, Daniels wasn't that good last year. He may have had some injuries though holding him back. Who knows. Floyd was garbage in first half of season with a broken hand. Kind of terrorized Rodgers in game two. Two completely different guys. We'll see on HHCD. He has shown ability to play very well and he is still young. It's my thought he struggled to look good in single high safety on bad teams in 2018. I think a lot of players would. It's hard to cover two open guys coming at you and its hard to make tackles in open space against great players at any level of football. I think he is going to be better than people think with good players around him. He is hurt right now and that kind of sucks. I hope he is 100% for GB game. Hate to field a dozen told you so's on him because he is playing at less than 100%. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 16 minutes ago, dll2000 said: Yeah, Daniels wasn't that good last year. He may have had some injuries though holding him back. Who knows. Floyd was garbage in first half of season with a broken hand. Kind of terrorized Rodgers in game two. Two completely different guys. We'll see on HHCD. He has shown ability to play very well and he is still young. It's my thought he struggled to look good in single high safety on bad teams in 2018. I think a lot of players would. It's hard to cover two open guys coming at you and its hard to make tackles in open space against great players at any level of football. I think he is going to be better than people think with good players around him. He is hurt right now and that kind of sucks. I hope he is 100% for GB game. Hate to field a dozen told you so's on him because he is playing at less than 100%. GB had schemes designed for him to make plays. Game changing plays. Plays you draw up to stop specific sets on specific downs and distances so that you know what is coming. And multiple times, the guy flat out was 3 steps late. The entire team would look at him and shake their heads on the field. We all saw it. He's gonna disappoint yah. Actually, I don't think he will. I think you will cut him. I don't feel like your coaching staff will put up with a guy who either gives half effort or who isn't smart enough to play a scheme. No "I told yah so's" from me. I think it was a good free agent pickup for yah. Boom or bust there. You got him on a value contract. And Daniels? Frustrating to watch. He would dominate a game when 100% healthy. He wrecked Seattle a year or two ago. Dominated that game. Then he'll go 8 games with a hangnail and you won't ever hear his name. If he isn't 100% right, he's lousy. He's not one of those guys that can play okay if nicked up. Still, I'd rather they have hung onto him and made him a pass rush specialist in a rotation. That he would have excelled at. Coaches must think that Z Smith/Gary/whomever is ready to eat those snaps...and those are a lot of snaps. Tells me that GB is going to go light on the line on passing downs so you won't know who is coming and who is dropping. There could be only one true DL on the field on second and third and long. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damikeeeee Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 We need to cut this Haha guy yesterday. Sounds terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted July 24, 2019 Share Posted July 24, 2019 It's always funny to hear Packers fans say that HHCD was awful last year & Amos was a big signing yet the stats between the two, in particular missed tackles, were nearly identical. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 15 hours ago, beardown3231 said: It's always funny to hear Packers fans say that HHCD was awful last year & Amos was a big signing yet the stats between the two, in particular missed tackles, were nearly identical. He was also awful in 2017, not just 2018. Put on the film, either GB or Washington. He flat out doesn't give effort. Takes poor angles. Makes excuses...etc. What he will do is sit back for the gimmee interception. And...to be fair to HHCD, he's one of those guys that the ball tends to find. Here's a nugget worth watching and reading.... https://totalpackers.com/2018/11/ha-ha-clinton-dix-not-a-student-of-the-game/ Dude isn't very smart. Has a very high opinion of himself. In your scheme, he either thrives because of the guys around him, or he'll be the one that those guys tell the coaches to cut because he isn't reliable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 11 minutes ago, vegas492 said: He was also awful in 2017, not just 2018. Put on the film, either GB or Washington. He flat out doesn't give effort. Takes poor angles. Makes excuses...etc. What he will do is sit back for the gimmee interception. And...to be fair to HHCD, he's one of those guys that the ball tends to find. Here's a nugget worth watching and reading.... https://totalpackers.com/2018/11/ha-ha-clinton-dix-not-a-student-of-the-game/ Dude isn't very smart. Has a very high opinion of himself. In your scheme, he either thrives because of the guys around him, or he'll be the one that those guys tell the coaches to cut because he isn't reliable. And in your scheme, Amos is going to be $9M/year of a big hit every third game with hands of rocks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 15 minutes ago, beardown3231 said: And in your scheme, Amos is going to be $9M/year of a big hit every third game with hands of rocks. If he is as smart and reliable as he's supposed to be, I'll take it. All we really want him to do is shore up the back end and help mentor the rookie, Savage. He's the one we are hoping becomes the playmaker. Most of us view Amos as a young version of Morgan Burnett. Steady, smart safety who didn't make splash plays, but also didn't allow splash plays...and could play near the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 17 minutes ago, vegas492 said: He was also awful in 2017, not just 2018. Put on the film, either GB or Washington. He flat out doesn't give effort. Takes poor angles. Makes excuses...etc. What he will do is sit back for the gimmee interception. And...to be fair to HHCD, he's one of those guys that the ball tends to find. Here's a nugget worth watching and reading.... https://totalpackers.com/2018/11/ha-ha-clinton-dix-not-a-student-of-the-game/ Dude isn't very smart. Has a very high opinion of himself. In your scheme, he either thrives because of the guys around him, or he'll be the one that those guys tell the coaches to cut because he isn't reliable. He wasn't that bad in games I saw. I watched 3 full 2018 games after we got him. Some plays are bad. He also had a number of good plays. Including some high effort plays. If you pointed out all Eddie Jackson's bad plays and put them on a GIF he would look bad too. 1) It's a one year deal for peanuts. 2) Guy has legit talent and a nose for football turnover wise. 3) He doesn't have to be a leader on this team. 4) A lot, not all, of plays where he looks bad he is trying to help someone who has been beat or trying to make a play in open field on a guy with a lot of space to work. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 2 hours ago, dll2000 said: He wasn't that bad in games I saw. I watched 3 full 2018 games after we got him. Some plays are bad. He also had a number of good plays. Including some high effort plays. If you pointed out all Eddie Jackson's bad plays and put them on a GIF he would look bad too. 1) It's a one year deal for peanuts. 2) Guy has legit talent and a nose for football turnover wise. 3) He doesn't have to be a leader on this team. 4) A lot, not all, of plays where he looks bad he is trying to help someone who has been beat or trying to make a play in open field on a guy with a lot of space to work. 3 games? Pretty small sample size for a guy who was poor for a season and a half. And that's being generous. As far as the GIF goes...there's a whole lot more. The ones there were the most awful ones. 1) It's a one year deal for peanuts. Yup. That's why he's good value for you. I personally think he's boom or bust. He'll either thrive and be a turnover machine or he's gonna blow assignment after assignment and be the "odd man out". And your team will show him the door. I don't think your defensive leaders are going to tolerate the player that HHCD was in half of 2017 and all of 2018. 2) Legit talent. Talent is meh. No doubt the ball finds him. He's not much in coverage as the hips are pretty stiff. He's not the guy to go out and man up a good receiver tight end and not get torched. He is the guy that can guard deep space and as said, he has a nose for the ball. Speed, I'd say, is average for the position. He's not a blazer, but he's fine for a safety. 3) He doesn't have to be a leader on this team. Very much agree, but...he will still try. Plenty of noise about what a locker room distraction he was in GB. I won't elaborate, but he's one of those locker room guys who has to be checked by others. If you haven't yet, go check his Twitter and read a few. I did it a few years ago. Spelling was a huge issue for him, as was grammar and simple English. Hopefully he now pays someone to take care of his social media accounts. 4) GB's secondary was hot garbage around him for years. We shipped out a safety who was upset because coaches wouldn't call out HHCD for missing assignments, but would call out him (Rollins). There was a double standard on HHCD, as he was supposed to be the next leader of the defense. Instead it gave him a big head and ultimately he regressed as a player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, vegas492 said: 3 games? Pretty small sample size for a guy who was poor for a season and a half. And that's being generous. As far as the GIF goes...there's a whole lot more. The ones there were the most awful ones. 1) It's a one year deal for peanuts. Yup. That's why he's good value for you. I personally think he's boom or bust. He'll either thrive and be a turnover machine or he's gonna blow assignment after assignment and be the "odd man out". And your team will show him the door. I don't think your defensive leaders are going to tolerate the player that HHCD was in half of 2017 and all of 2018. 2) Legit talent. Talent is meh. No doubt the ball finds him. He's not much in coverage as the hips are pretty stiff. He's not the guy to go out and man up a good receiver tight end and not get torched. He is the guy that can guard deep space and as said, he has a nose for the ball. Speed, I'd say, is average for the position. He's not a blazer, but he's fine for a safety. 3) He doesn't have to be a leader on this team. Very much agree, but...he will still try. Plenty of noise about what a locker room distraction he was in GB. I won't elaborate, but he's one of those locker room guys who has to be checked by others. If you haven't yet, go check his Twitter and read a few. I did it a few years ago. Spelling was a huge issue for him, as was grammar and simple English. Hopefully he now pays someone to take care of his social media accounts. 4) GB's secondary was hot garbage around him for years. We shipped out a safety who was upset because coaches wouldn't call out HHCD for missing assignments, but would call out him (Rollins). There was a double standard on HHCD, as he was supposed to be the next leader of the defense. Instead it gave him a big head and ultimately he regressed as a player. I guess we'll see. I have defended him publicly, but if he doesn't work out I am not going to lose a lot of sleep over it. I'll take all the told ya so's and move on. I am not naive enough to think Packers fans are universally upset with him and happy to see him leave for no reason at all. I think Bush can play pretty good SS given his improvement last year. He isn't a free safety and he had to play there when Jackson went down. He still did okay. He was awful in his first couple years. The thing I like most about Dix is almost every time he actually puts hands on a ball it is his. Be it an INT or a loose ball. That's what I mean by nose for the ball in his case. You can say it is lucky or whatever, but most DBs can't say that. Amos for sure can't say it. Fuller and Jackson and Prince are heady film watching players. They will influence Dix more than he will influence them I think or hope. Plus Pagano speciality is DBs. That can't hurt. Edited July 25, 2019 by dll2000 there vs. their 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegas492 Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 45 minutes ago, dll2000 said: I guess we'll see. I have defended him publicly, but if he doesn't work out I am not going to lose a lot of sleep over it. I'll take all the told ya so's and move on. I am not naive enough to think Packers fans are universally upset with him and happy to see him leave for no reason at all. I think Bush can play pretty good SS given his improvement last year. He isn't a free safety and he had to play there when Jackson went down. He still did okay. He was awful in his first couple years. The thing I like most about Dix is almost every time he actually puts hands on a ball it is his. Be it an INT or a loose ball. That's what I mean by nose for the ball in his case. You can say it is lucky or whatever, but most DBs can't say that. Amos for sure can't say it. Fuller and Jackson and Prince are heady film watching players. They will influence Dix more than he will influence them I think or hope. Plus Pagano speciality is DBs. That can't hurt. I can't argue that point at all, except maybe for loose balls. I can't recall him really being around loose balls too often. (Insert whatever joke you wish.) All kidding aside, the guy doesn't drop INTS. The frustrating part for me was watching our DC scheme him into easy interceptions, only to watch him be 2-3 steps late EVERY SINGLE TIME. Those overthrows or bounces find his way and he catches them, but when scheme put him in position, that is where he failed. And that was tough to see. I was pretty stoked about him when GB drafted him and he got good pretty fast. But then something happened and he regressed. Many say it was the Pro-Bowl that led to his regression. Guys told him how good he was and how much money he'd make on the open market and how their "teams" would love to have him. And he flat out quit growing as a player. Became complacent. Now that he didn't strike it rich in free agency and is on his third team in 2 years, maybe that fire is back in him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fl0nkerton Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 20 hours ago, beardown3231 said: It's always funny to hear Packers Bears fans say that HHCD Amos was awful nothing special last year & Amos HHCD was a big signing yet the stats between the two, in particular missed tackles, were nearly identical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 7 minutes ago, vegas492 said: I can't argue that point at all, except maybe for loose balls. I can't recall him really being around loose balls too often. (Insert whatever joke you wish.) All kidding aside, the guy doesn't drop INTS. The frustrating part for me was watching our DC scheme him into easy interceptions, only to watch him be 2-3 steps late EVERY SINGLE TIME. Those overthrows or bounces find his way and he catches them, but when scheme put him in position, that is where he failed. And that was tough to see. I was pretty stoked about him when GB drafted him and he got good pretty fast. But then something happened and he regressed. Many say it was the Pro-Bowl that led to his regression. Guys told him how good he was and how much money he'd make on the open market and how their "teams" would love to have him. And he flat out quit growing as a player. Became complacent. Now that he didn't strike it rich in free agency and is on his third team in 2 years, maybe that fire is back in him. He seems to do better when he isn't deep safety in cover 3 or 1. Another reason he might surprise you in Chicago as I think Jackson will be manning that role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dll2000 Posted July 25, 2019 Author Share Posted July 25, 2019 2 minutes ago, Fl0nkerton said: How do you post GIFs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fl0nkerton Posted July 25, 2019 Share Posted July 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, dll2000 said: How do you post GIFs? I just google the name of the gif, [so like Spiderman point gif] find it and right click, open image in new tab then copy and paste the URL in the text box on here. It should show up so you can preview it before hitting Submit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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