SirA1 Posted July 31, 2019 Author Share Posted July 31, 2019 25 minutes ago, Counselor said: What is the Pheltz rule? it's in the OP. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TedLavie Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 @pheltzbahrwhy should we keep the pheltz rule and year round 3ups? Yes to prop 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey5djh Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 On 7/29/2019 at 4:59 PM, Hockey5djh said: I don't mind removing "loopholes" just for simplicity and clarity but I want to make sure I understand what is going on. I'm going to give an example. Lets pretend Wentz' (using Wentz because I'm an eagles fan, not because he's on Pheltz' team) contract was up this season, what would he have to be 3upped for? He signed a 4 year extension this offseason on top of his 5 year option that kicks in in 2020 so.....Explain that one for me please. (and/or is this a different rule from the Pheltz rule?) @SirA1 can you explain this one....and if it's not technically the Pheltz rule can we have a vote/discussion on it during this owners meeting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey5djh Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 14 hours ago, PR said: Abstain. I didn't have anyone to 3UP this past offseason so was planning on 3Uping during season, so this vote goes against the planning I had in place so I would show bias in my vote. @PR you know you could just 3 up them in the offseason right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey5djh Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 12 hours ago, SirA1 said: Topic 2 - Remove they Pheltz Rule. Yes (3) - WWhickok, Whicker, SirA No ( ) - Topic 4 - Remove this language as it really doesn’t apply anymore as 3 ups will be pretty standard after being based off of the Avg Salary of a players contract and also all happening at the same time of the year. Players who are submitted to the contract committee as 3 Ups are not included in the free agent pool. However, if the contract committee and the team have not agreed on a 3 Up contract by the start of Shark Tank, then that player will be considered eligible for bidding in the Shark Tank Yes (2) - SirA, WWhickok No (0) - Vote Yes for 4, pending a response above before I vote on 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PR Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Hockey5djh said: @PR you know you could just 3 up them in the offseason right? Not when they don't have contracts to go off of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey5djh Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 4 minutes ago, PR said: Not when they don't have contracts to go off of ....Why would you 3 up a player mid season that's on an expiring contract? Unless i'm misunderstanding your issue somehow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PR Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Hockey5djh said: ....Why would you 3 up a player mid season that's on an expiring contract? Unless i'm misunderstanding your issue somehow? Cheaper in most cases as it considers current year as part of contract rather than more expensive remaining years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlash Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 9 minutes ago, PR said: Not when they don't have contracts to go off of 3 minutes ago, Hockey5djh said: ....Why would you 3 up a player mid season that's on an expiring contract? Unless i'm misunderstanding your issue somehow? Same question over here. Unless you were going to try and parlay someone on an expiring contract into a multi year deal? Which wouldn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcb1213 Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 12 minutes ago, PR said: Cheaper in most cases as it considers current year as part of contract rather than more expensive remaining years. But if he doesn't have a contract to go off of, what are you combining to use the current deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PR Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 9 minutes ago, bcb1213 said: But if he doesn't have a contract to go off of, what are you combining to use the current deal? If it is prior to contract you are stuck. If he does get one midseason you lose a year of the contract to base it off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Yes on 2 and yes on 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Let’s just get rid of 3up discounts and make everyone have to resign at real value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlash Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 53 minutes ago, PR said: If it is prior to contract you are stuck. If he does get one midseason you lose a year of the contract to base it off. I think he's asking if you're 3 upping a guy for one year or trying to base a brand new long term 3 up off a guy whose contract is about to be up IRL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlash Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 2 minutes ago, Counselor said: Let’s just get rid of 3up discounts and make everyone have to resign at real value How about we just keep trying to work on what we're currently working on before changing discussions. A wise man once said never half *** two things, whole *** one thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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