2019 WR Corps

[Packerraymond]

2 hours ago, Outpost31 said:

Jordy Nelson was a refined BAMF over his first two seasons who could do everything?  Davante Adams, too?  Davante had the confidence of a llama in a herd of lions his first two seasons and couldn't catch a falling feather. 

Jordy and Davante had easier issues to fix. Trying to be a physical receiver with a naturally slight frame is not an easy issue to fix. Ask your boy Trevor Davis.

MVS isn't a complete receiver and never is going to be. Davis was the same, Janis the same, on down the list. Doesn't mean we can't use his strengths and he can't be a nice player for us. We won't though, he'll lose snaps to lesser players who are more well rounded and we'll use the excuse of what he can't do well as the reason why.

The above is the #1 reason why the Patriots are better than everyone else and will be until BB retires. He doesn't give a crap about how well rounded you are, he cares about if he can use what you do well, and he won't ask you to do stuff you can't.

MVS should run the entire vertical route tree, crossers and bubbles. Stop wasting his time with slants, ins/outs, hitches, comebacks, back shoulders, etc...

[Shanedorf]

from Daniel Jeremiah at Movethesticks

I started scouting in 2003. This upcoming WR class is the best I've ever seen.

[Lodestar]

29 minutes ago, Shanedorf said:

from Daniel Jeremiah at Movethesticks

I started scouting in 2003. This upcoming WR class is the best I've ever seen.

Came here to post this. It's easier to see now why Gute punted on WR in the last draft. We could be looking at someone better than AJ Brown on Day 1-2 next year.

[Howler]

Some of these so-called high round WR busts can be attributed to system and quarterback. Take for example, Robert Woods who toiled away in Buffalo, until he was reborn with the rams. 

[OneTwoSixFive]

4 hours ago, Lodestar said:

Came here to post this. It's easier to see now why Gute punted on WR in the last draft. We could be looking at someone better than AJ Brown on Day 1-2 next year.

Same applies to ILB. 2019 was a bad year for that position and I'm hearing 2020 should be much better. RB should be good as well, so WR, ILB and (possibly later) RB, are all potential targets for Green Bay. Some of the other need positions (like OT and DL) look like they are average years, while TE looks poor. Of course who declares will make a difference to the overall quality. 

Is anyone hearing different to what i am saying or has something to add for the quality of the 2020 draft ?

[CWood21]

6 hours ago, Lodestar said:

Came here to post this. It's easier to see now why Gute punted on WR in the last draft. We could be looking at someone better than AJ Brown on Day 1-2 next year.

The "grass is always greener on the other side" mentality is a great way for a GM to get fired.

[MacReady]

5 hours ago, Howler said:

Some of these so-called high round WR busts can be attributed to system and quarterback. Take for example, Robert Woods who toiled away in Buffalo, until he was reborn with the rams. 

And then there’s Treadwell, Kevin something for the Bears, that Chargers WR and three dozen other first round receivers that just bust.

[Scoremore]

2 hours ago, OneTwoSixFive said:

Same applies to ILB. 2019 was a bad year for that position and I'm hearing 2020 should be much better. RB should be good as well, so WR, ILB and (possibly later) RB, are all potential targets for Green Bay. Some of the other need positions (like OT and DL) look like they are average years, while TE looks poor. Of course who declares will make a difference to the overall quality. 

Is anyone hearing different to what i am saying or has something to add for the quality of the 2020 draft ?

Shaping up nice for the Pack.  Wish we would have taken advantage of DT's last year.  Came away with Keke that's it.  WR, ILB, and RB are all needs for us.  RB is for the future of course.  Teams are going to be very desperate for OT's.  Number of teams very weak there.  We will need one too but not the year for a high draft pick.  Don't think Gutey will have a choice but to re-up Bulaga.  DL and ILB are probably the most pressing.  Ughhh more D.  Maybe we can plug in FA and concentrate on the offense for once.

[spilltray]

It's really disingenuous to compare Nelson to MVS on terms of progression.

Nelson was buried on the depth chart.

MVS is basically the #2 by default.

Of course MVS looks better statistically, but that's all opportunity. Nelson showed quickly he has the entire tool set. MVS is a deep threat only at this point and there has been no sign of that changing.

 

Also stop the ESB love. He's shown almost nothing, and was having a bad enough camp he was probably on the roster bubble. Saying he could be the #2 is just a horrible idea. The Packers need to invest in guys to throw the ball to because the cupboard is bare past Adams.

[Fl0nkerton]

2 hours ago, spilltray said:

Also stop the ESB love. He's shown almost nothing, and was having a bad enough camp he was probably on the roster bubble. Saying he could be the #2 is just a horrible idea. The Packers need to invest in guys to throw the ball to because the cupboard is bare past Adams.

source?

[Packerraymond]

1 hour ago, Fl0nkerton said:

source?

He had a bad camp because he wasn't getting beat writers love like Kumerow and Lazard.

[packfanfb]

4 hours ago, spilltray said:

It's really disingenuous to compare Nelson to MVS on terms of progression.

Nelson was buried on the depth chart.

MVS is basically the #2 by default.

Of course MVS looks better statistically, but that's all opportunity. Nelson showed quickly he has the entire tool set. MVS is a deep threat only at this point and there has been no sign of that changing.

 

Also stop the ESB love. He's shown almost nothing, and was having a bad enough camp he was probably on the roster bubble. Saying he could be the #2 is just a horrible idea. The Packers need to invest in guys to throw the ball to because the cupboard is bare past Adams.

Bingo. Been saying this since last year when I was trying to warn people against the whole "No. 2" crown they wanted to hand over to MVS. The guy caught some passes last year because once Allison and Cobb got hurt, he played a ton of snaps. By that opportunity alone, of course he was going to catch some passes. Bottom line is MVS has shown absolutely zero ability to win underneath, he's very rough in and out of his breaks, not a natural route runner, and at this point, he's a deep threat only type of player. He's a much better WR 25 yards down field than he is 0-25 yards. 

MVS shouldn't be higher than your No. 4 on the team behind Adams, WR 2, and Slot WR, or maybe your No. 3 at times if you're playing Adams in the slot. And as a 5th round pick, that's perfectly fine for him to fit that role and the pick is a hit in my book. 

[packfanfb]

41 minutes ago, Packerraymond said:

He had a bad camp because he wasn't getting beat writers love like Kumerow and Lazard.

Roster bubble is a stretch but it is just as speculative to say he'd be our No. 2 right now. No one knows what contribution we'd be getting from a 2nd year ESB, the same as last year, more or less. First it was MVS, now ESB is the No. 2? When are we going to stop this crap? Packers should have never went into the season to begin with with your No. 2 choices being MVS, ESB and Allison. It was a ****ty selection then, and it is now. We're stuck with it for the time being but next year, you let Allison walk, you keep MVS and ESB around to compete for spots with no promises to either one of them, and you attack the position in the draft, plus FA if the money is there. 

Edited November 14, 2019 by packfanfb

[Shanedorf]

https://packerswire.usatoday.com/2019/08/20/packers-camp-notes-equanimeous-st-brown-produces-really-nice-camp/

Rodgers was also highly appreciative of how solid St. Brown has been throughout camp.

“Almost quietly, I think EQ has had a really nice camp,” Rodgers said Monday. “I think he’s been very consistent. We haven’t talked about him a lot, which, in this case, is actually a positive. It’s almost like, ‘Yeah, well, he’s on the squad.’ He’s been that good. It’s almost been an understated, really solid camp for him.”

https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/2018/8/6/17653628/equanimeous-st-brown-receiver-packers-offense-training-camp

Consistency could elevate Equanimeous St. Brown in race for Packers’ receiver snaps

Of the three rookies, St. Brown has shown the best hands and most polished route running so far. One player stood out above the others for a simple reason: he caught everything. Equanimeous St. Brown, the splendidly named and incredibly gifted ex-Notre Dame star isn’t just a big body with 4.48 speed (though he is, of course, that). The only pass in his area in team drills on Saturday that St. Brown couldn’t haul in was a seam throw from Rodgers that sailed just out of reach. St. Brown runs crisp routes, especially for a man his size, can play outside and in the slot, and can make plays for this offense all over the field. And when it comes to hands, he’s clearly the furthest ahead of the rookies — and not just based on Family Night, though the difference there was equally stark.

 

[Packerraymond]

16 minutes ago, packfanfb said:

Roster bubble is a stretch but it is just as speculative to say he'd be our No. 2 right now. No one knows what contribution we'd be getting from a 2nd year ESB, the same as last year, more or less. First it was MVS, now ESB is the No. 2? When are we going to stop this crap? Packers should have never went into the season to begin with with your No. 2 choices being MVS, ESB and Allison. It was a ****ty selection then, and it is now. We're stuck with it for the time being but next year, you let Allison walk, you keep MVS and ESB around to compete for spots with no promises to either one of them, and you attack the position in the draft, plus FA if the money is there. 

We're 8-2 and control our destiny for HFA. I think choosing to spend money elsewhere than WR has been a fine choice.