skibrett15 575 Posted August 10 (edited) I don't think this team is keeping 6 WRs. If you can get moore or shepherd or kumerow on the PS that's good enough. If davis is healthy he's the 5th. Edited August 10 by skibrett15 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech 242 Posted August 10 27 minutes ago, Uffdaswede said: Max McCaffrey? Thank you Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cheech 242 Posted August 10 5 minutes ago, skibrett15 said: I don't think this team is keeping 6 WRs. If you can get moore or shepherd or kumerow on the PS that's good enough. If davis is healthy he's the 5th. I would have agreed before Gute released Grant. Now I think we keep 6 WR and 4 backs. We can stash a 5th RB on the PS. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skibrett15 575 Posted August 10 4 minutes ago, Cheech said: I would have agreed before Gute released Grant. Now I think we keep 6 WR and 4 backs. We can stash a 5th RB on the PS. for me it's the TEs not the backs. If the base offense is 2TE 2 WR 1 RB, you need just as many TEs as RBs. So I would expect 4 TEs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
incognito_man 2,903 Posted August 10 2 hours ago, skibrett15 said: I don't think this team is keeping 6 WRs. If you can get moore or shepherd or kumerow on the PS that's good enough. If davis is healthy he's the 5th. If we keep 25 on offense, it's WR6 vs QB3 vs OL9 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Golfman 598 Posted August 10 (edited) Just got a chance to watch the game on NFL network. No way the Packers can keep Moore. The guy can't catch the football and that is a problem for his position. He wants to body catch everything, even when it's clearly not the option. I don't think I'd bring him back on the practice squad either. Time to move on from him. I'll say we keep six: Adams, Allison, MVS, ESB, Kumerow and either Davis or Shepard. I'm not sold on Davis is 'perfect' for this offense. Edited August 10 by Golfman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexGreen#20 3,081 Posted August 11 8 minutes ago, Golfman said: Just got a chance to watch the game on NFL network. No way the Packers can keep Moore. The guy can't catch the football and that is a problem for his position. He wants to body catch everything, even when it's clearly not the option. I don't think I'd bring him back on the practice squad either. Time to move on from him. I'll say we keep six: Adams, Allison, MVS, ESB, Kumerow and either Davis or Shepard. I'm not sold on Davis is 'perfect' for this offense. Bruh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Golfman 598 Posted August 11 Just now, AlexGreen#20 said: Bruh It's my opinion. I don't think body catchers suddenly learn how to catch with their hands. If you can't catch consistently with your hands you can't play in the NFL. Oh how I wish the light would come on but it's obviously not how he's caught the ball his entire life, you can see that. I don't see him overcoming it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexGreen#20 3,081 Posted August 11 4 minutes ago, Golfman said: It's my opinion. I don't think body catchers suddenly learn how to catch with their hands. If you can't catch consistently with your hands you can't play in the NFL. Oh how I wish the light would come on but it's obviously not how he's caught the ball his entire life, you can see that. I don't see him overcoming it. Why does the defense of every indefensibly bad opinion start that way? You would think the shocking similarities between Moore and baby Adams from a skillset and build perspective would grant fans a little bit longer memory in declaring a receiver, in their second preseason struggling with their hands, a lost cause. But alas here we remain. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ccecilnosebleed 30 Posted August 11 I swear I tapped on Kumerow. Oh well, Sheppard is at least heating up. I don’t see how it could possibly make any sense to keep either over Kumerow with the success he’s having. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Golfman 598 Posted August 11 Just now, AlexGreen#20 said: Why does the defense of every indefensibly bad opinion start that way? You would think the shocking similarities between Moore and baby Adams from a skillset and build perspective would grant fans a little bit longer memory in declaring a receiver, in their second preseason struggling with their hands, a lost cause. But alas here we remain. Davante Adams could catch so the skillset comparison stops there. Yes, Adams struggled in year two, but he was playing through injuries which obviously affected his concentration. I was NEVER down on Davante Adams, never thought he was going to be a bust. You say it's a bad opinion and THAT is your OPINION, nothing more, nothing less. The difference is you try and pawn it off as fact. It's not! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chili 261 Posted August 11 (edited) 14 minutes ago, Golfman said: It's my opinion. I don't think body catchers suddenly learn how to catch with their hands. If you can't catch consistently with your hands you can't play in the NFL. Oh how I wish the light would come on but it's obviously not how he's caught the ball his entire life, you can see that. I don't see him overcoming it. For a long time I had the same opinion as you regarding body catchers. Yet i've seen serial body catchers go on to succeed in the NFL so basically I've come around to a new kind of thinking: "It doesn't matter HOW you catch the ball as long you DO catch the ball". Having said that at the end of the day nothing beats hand catchers. Hand catchers has a natural larger catch radius which makes life easier for QBs. With the larger radius they essentially catching the ball a fraction earlier than body catchers as the ball doesn't have to travel as far. Catching earlier also means you're more likely to avoid big hits which could lead to fumbles. Hand catching essentially creates good habits in general WR play and better ball security. Edited August 11 by Chili Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Golfman 598 Posted August 11 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Chili said: For a long time I had the same opinion as you regarding body catchers. Yet i've seen serial body catchers go on to succeed in the NFL so basically I've come around to a new kind of thinking: "It doesn't matter HOW you catch the ball as long you DO catch the ball". Having said that at the end of the day nothing beats hand catchers. Hand catchers has a natural larger catch radius which makes life easier for QBs. With the larger radius they essentially catching the ball a fraction earlier than body catchers as the ball doesn't have to travel as far. Catching earlier also means you're more likely to avoid big hits and fumbles. Hand catching essentially creates good habits in general WR play and better ball security. But he's not a good body catcher either. He fights the ball and the ball wins way too often. Antonio Freeman was a body catcher, although he could catch with his hands when needed. Don't get me wrong, I want Moore to figure it out. I just don't see it happening. Edited August 11 by Golfman Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexGreen#20 3,081 Posted August 11 2 minutes ago, Golfman said: Davante Adams could catch so the skillset comparison stops there. Yes, Adams struggled in year two, but he was playing through injuries which obviously affected his concentration. I was NEVER down on Davante Adams, never thought he was going to be a bust. You say it's a bad opinion and THAT is your OPINION, nothing more, nothing less. The difference is you try and pawn it off as fact. It's not! You're attempting to revise history: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/11/27/aaron-rodgers-has-a-davante-adams-problem/ http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000665257/article/packers-davante-adams-wasnt-proud-of-2015-season https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2015/11/29/davante-adams-angry-drops-vs-bears/76485210/ https://lombardiave.com/2016/01/28/green-bay-packers-roster-cut-candidate-davante-adams/2/ https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/9633/the-packers-should-probably-cut-davante-adams https://247sports.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/Board/103108/Contents/Davante-Adams-voted-least-valuable-player-for-the-2015-Packers-71124285/ https://totalpackers.com/2016/07/davante-adams-youre-cut/ Adams couldn't catch a damn thing in preseason that year, even before he got injured. Obviously the links are not high quality, but there's not a ton left on the internet from preseason four years ago. Why would you write off a guy before his second year? Especially one that you knew was going to need significant developmental work? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Leader 1,400 Posted August 11 (edited) 19 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: You're attempting to revise history: https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/11/27/aaron-rodgers-has-a-davante-adams-problem/ http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000665257/article/packers-davante-adams-wasnt-proud-of-2015-season https://www.packersnews.com/story/sports/nfl/packers/2015/11/29/davante-adams-angry-drops-vs-bears/76485210/ https://lombardiave.com/2016/01/28/green-bay-packers-roster-cut-candidate-davante-adams/2/ https://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/9633/the-packers-should-probably-cut-davante-adams https://247sports.com/nfl/green-bay-packers/Board/103108/Contents/Davante-Adams-voted-least-valuable-player-for-the-2015-Packers-71124285/ https://totalpackers.com/2016/07/davante-adams-youre-cut/ Adams couldn't catch a damn thing in preseason that year, even before he got injured. Obviously the links are not high quality, but there's not a ton left on the internet from preseason four years ago. Why would you write off a guy before his second year? Especially one that you knew was going to need significant developmental work? Adams had his issues year one.....and year two was problematic for different reasons.....but I was always in his camp. Saw the promise. Did I ever think he'd become as good as he has? No...but then I dont project forward that way. I wasnt around here in year one - but there were detractors....which isnt a problem "per se" - everybodies entitled, but some were a bit more definitivate than others. I got completely sold on Adams in a rather late season game.....the one against DAL with Dez's catch/non-catch. Two flashes/plays: Adams takes in a quick, shortish slant over the middle and puts a real nice move on (somebody....#24) - just cuts/breaks his run to the right and breaks the defenders ankles off. Goes in for the TD. I'd not seen him make such a quick / instinctual move like that before....and it stood out to me. Third and crucial cause its late - AR finds Adams on a quick out - maybe 7-10 yards. First: ARs going to Adams when the chips are in the middle of the table - and second - its a contested catch - the DB's on it. Well, Adams gets both hands on the ball and actually uses the ball to "push" the defender away - as if to say "this is mine" - and it was. A crucial first down was ours. I like that attitude in any player and it stood out cause he was a rookie. Edited August 11 by Leader Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
