skibrett15 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: I just posted Cousins' stats against three really good football teams from this year. That's more offensive production than the Packers got out of three of their wins. you omitted the attempts though. If cousins had 475 attempts in 2010 assuming he had his normal 2018 year his stats would be: 3373 yards, 24 TDs, 8 INTs. Plus you forgot Rodgers extra 250 rushing yards, and 3 extra rushing TDs. Not sure why, but you did. I think it would be extremely fair to say that Kirk Cousins is somewhere between 2/3 and 3/4 the QB in 2018 that Rodgers was in 2010. If you don't want to zoom in at all, sure they are kind of comparable. Sort of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg C. Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 1 hour ago, AlexGreen#20 said: I'm not gonna disagree with anything that you're saying. I will say that Rodgers has always had a better passer rating than he has an overall offense. I think Rodgers was a very good QB in 2010. The question I have is whether that defense could have won it with just a good QB? My guess would be no. Rodgers was one of the best in the league, especially at the end of the year, and they just barely squeaked into the playoffs, plus three of the four playoff wins were by small margins. I know that Rodgers did not light up the scoreboard in those games, but most teams that win the Super Bowl, even with great offenses, have at least one or two playoff games where they have to grind it out against good defenses. I would assume that a lesser QB would not have played as well as Rodgers did in those games, and it would have cost the Packers a game at some point. That was an excellent defense, but I don't think it was one of those super defenses that could win games by itself week after week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Just now, skibrett15 said: you omitted the attempts though. If cousins had 475 attempts in 2010 assuming he had his normal 2018 year his stats would be: 3373 yards, 24 TDs, 8 INTs. Plus you forgot Rodgers extra 250 rushing yards, and 3 extra rushing TDs. Not sure why, but you did. I think it would be extremely fair to say that Kirk Cousins is somewhere between 2/3 and 3/4 the QB in 2018 that Rodgers was in 2010. If you don't want to zoom in at all, sure they are kind of comparable. Sort of. If Cousins was asked to throw it around more rather than keeping things contained and on schedule, he probably would have had fewer attempts. I don't really think that this squad would have won the super bowl with Kirk Cousins at QB, but this team at no point in the playoffs needed a GREAT game from it's QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Greg C. said: My guess would be no. Rodgers was one of the best in the league, especially at the end of the year, and they just barely squeaked into the playoffs, plus three of the four playoff wins were by small margins. I know that Rodgers did not light up the scoreboard in those games, but most teams that win the Super Bowl, even with great offenses, have at least one or two playoff games where they have to grind it out against good defenses. I would assume that a lesser QB would not have played as well as Rodgers did in those games, and it would have cost the Packers a game at some point. That was an excellent defense, but I don't think it was one of those super defenses that could win games by itself week after week. That defense allowed an average of 21 points per game in the playoffs, but forced 3 TOs per game. That number includes a fumble on the Packers 24 yardline that the Eagles converted into a TD and a kickoff return for a TD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 43 minutes ago, TransientTexan said: Not as pathetic as the narcissists that have unrealistic expectations for their NFL teams and then make scapegoats of previous organization members to the point of revising history to attribute exclusive credit to their golden boy. No, that's pathetic, but not as pathetic. Really, I'm not really sure what you're talking about. I don't know who'd be a golden boy in GB. Maybe Lombardi, but there are even senseless posters like agreen20 that drop a lot of hate on him, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantyWrestler Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 I think the link is broke. I could have sworn I tapped WR thread, not the Kirk Cousins thread. My bad. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TransientTexan Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 6 minutes ago, Donzo said: Really, I'm not really sure what you're talking about. I don't know who'd be a golden boy in GB. You must be blind then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg C. Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Uffdaswede said: My bad. Arguments for and against keeping only five receivers? Right now the top five are Adams, Allison, MVS, Kumerow, and EQ. If you were going to ditch one of those in favor of keeping Davis or Sheppard as a returner, it would have to be Kumerow, because EQ is too talented to cut, even though he's had a quiet camp. But Kumerow looks like he could be a significant contributor to the offense this year, especially if there are injuries. They have been giving him a lot of quality reps in practice and preseason, and for the most part he has delivered, so that would all be a waste of time if they cut him. I do think that either Davis or Sheppared needs to be kept as a returner so they don't have to start from scratch with that position again, and Kumerow and EQ should be kept, so they need at least six. Another factor is that I don't think there are any other positions on offense where the talent is deep enough to justify overloading those positions. Also, maybe Moore will start catching the ball, or they opt to keep both Davis and Sheppard, in which case there would be an argument for keeping seven. I would say that six is probably enough, but seven is more likely than five. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donzo Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 29 minutes ago, TransientTexan said: You must be blind then. Actually, the opposite... I'm just not influenced by an agenda of hate against the men that have made the Green Bay Packers great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 (edited) I'm singin' in the rainJust singin' in the rainWhat a glorious feelingI'm happy againI'm laughin' at cloudsSo dark up aboveThe sun's in my heartAnd I'm ready for loveLet the stormy clouds chaseEveryone from the placeCome on with the rainI've a smile on my faceI'll walk down the laneWith a happy refrainJust singin'… Singin' in the rain Edited August 17, 2019 by Leader Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mazrimiv Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 The week one game day thread is going to be glorious if things go off the rails early. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TransientTexan Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Donzo said: Actually, the opposite... I'm just not influenced by an agenda of hate against the men that have made the Green Bay Packers great. I wasn't referring to you regarding that agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Interesting...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 Regarding Shepherd vs Davis argument: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golfman Posted August 18, 2019 Share Posted August 18, 2019 17 hours ago, Mazrimiv said: The week one game day thread is going to be glorious if things go off the rails early. Oh, things are going to go off the rails early, but for the Bears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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