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8 hours ago, TheStarStillShines said:

We saw what kind of team the Boys could have when it had a QB making less than $3M - that was Dak on his rookie deal. The team didn't achieve much because the "architects" continually failed to put together a complete team. The problem isn't Dak and his contract. The problem resides in the Joneses and the coaches they've hired, and I know you agree with this.

That’s not exactly true either. We had a highly paid QB sitting on the sidelines Daks first year, and in the announcers booth the next year. We never TRULY got the cheap rookie QB treatment because we still had Romos albatross contract on the books. 

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I love the, “we’ve seen this team without Dak and it ain’t pretty,” statements.

 

like we weren’t lucky as hell to be 1-4 before Dak got hurt. What about our team was pretty before Dak got hurt? I guess we had the ability to move the ball after halftime. That was nice.

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17 minutes ago, DaBoys said:

like we weren’t lucky as hell to be 1-4 before Dak got hurt.

I love the "we are lucky to be 1-4" statements. As if we werent a a bounce here or a call there from being 4-1 with an historically bad defense.

17 minutes ago, DaBoys said:

What about our team was pretty before Dak got hurt? I guess we had the ability to move the ball after halftime. That was nice.

Once again, like always, you are wrong:

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1st Half 69 94 25 73.40 847 4 43 2 106.1 5 -34 9.0 8.90 7 34 4.9 0 2 1 1 11 11.0 1 1 100.0% 11.0
  2nd Half 82 128 46 64.06 1009 5 50 2 94.8 5 -32 7.9 7.96 11 59 5.4 3 6 0 0 0   0 0

 

Dak was actually more efficient in the first half. Less attempts, but a lot more production per an attempt.

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25 minutes ago, DaBoys said:

That’s not exactly true either. We had a highly paid QB sitting on the sidelines Daks first year, and in the announcers booth the next year. We never TRULY got the cheap rookie QB treatment because we still had Romos albatross contract on the books. 

True. Yet we were able to field a pretty complete team even with a highly paid QB. Isnt that weird. 

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1 hour ago, DaBoys said:

That’s not exactly true either. We had a highly paid QB sitting on the sidelines Daks first year, and in the announcers booth the next year. We never TRULY got the cheap rookie QB treatment because we still had Romos albatross contract on the books. 

That's true, but in 2019 the team was flush with cap space. In 2017-18, they had quite a few players on cheap, rookie deals contributing. Regardless, we all recognize that the Joneses aren't the best architects. 

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On 10/27/2020 at 12:00 AM, The_Slamman said:

Truly idiotic statement.  The only way this could possibly be settled would be to see how the $28M Difference dalton and Dak gets allocated to the rest of the team.  What is settled however is that Dallas is fielding probably its worst defense in team history due in large part to paying Dak $31M.  We lost multiple defensive contributors because we could not afford to keep them.  It is 100% settled that paying Dak $31M this year objectively HURT this football team.  We went from a team that gave up 20 ppg to a team that gives up 34 ppg.  

Yes. Daks franchise tag is the reason our defense is so awful. 

Slam. I think this subject is officially dead for me. I don't have a horse in this fight anymore and have zero desire to try to convince you otherwise. 

Best of luck rooting for Dak to sign elsewhere. 

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QB Ranking thread is up. Dak got dinged pretty hard by the INTs. 2 failed hailmary attempts I dont hold against him, but the other 2 were his fault. Still, in the tier 2 category according to an Eagles fan.

7 hours ago, RandyMossIsBoss said:

Did this last season, a snapshot look at various passing statistics, ratings, grades, etc. weighed equally to get a single number behind each QB's season. This ranking is purely based on the metrics mentioned below, it is in no way my, or anybody's, actual QB ranking.

I will update the thread every week or so. At the moment I incorporate the following, but am open to adding more:

 

 

Passer Rating= completion %, Y/A, TD% and INT%

ANY/A= similar to passer rating but weighed differently + sacks and yards lost on sacks are added to the equation

DVOA= the outcome of every play is compared to the league average in that same situation, every box score factor possible is utilized. For QBs, DVOA does not include running, unlike QBR.

QBR= similar to DVOA, but with a touch of subjectivity that goes beyond box score (drops, bad plays that weren't fault of QB, etc.), and a clutch factor (more weight towards plays in situations deemed clutch)

PFF= every play is looked at and given a grade, the final grade is the cumulative score of every play normalized to a 0-100 scale

 

Passer rating and ANY/A are basic box score based metrics. DVOA and QBR are EPA based metrics. PFF is the wild card, being purely iTest, but they are quoted enough that I think it warranted including their grades.

 

Thoughts on including completion % over expectation? Really only measures 1 aspect of QB play (accuracy), while these other 5 try to paint a whole picture, but I am seeing analytics twitter loving this metric as of late. It looks at their expected completion % (completion provability is based on several factors including: air yards, WR separation, WR location, nearest pass rusher, etc.) compared to their actual completion %. 

 

 

 

Through week 7

  QB PR QBR PFF DVOA ANY/A Avg
1 Aaron Rodgers 2 1 2 6 1 2.4
2 Patrick Mahomes 5 2 7 1 2 3.4
3 Ryan Tannehill 4 4 8 2 3 4.2
4 Russell Wilson 1 8 1 11 5 5.2
5 Josh Allen 9 3 6 7 10 7.0
6 Deshaun Watson 6 15 4 4 7 7.2
7 Derek Carr 3 5 22 3 4 7.4
8 Drew Brees 8 6 11 9 11 9.0
9 Tom Brady 10 16 3 5 12 9.2
10 Justin Herbert 7 12 16 10 6 10.2
11 Dak Prescott 13 11 5 16 9 10.8
12 Jared Goff 11 18 13 12 8 12.4
13 Matt Ryan 16 13 12 14 13 13.6
14 Lamar Jackson 14 10 10 22 21 15.4
15 Ryan Fitzpatrick 18 7 17 19 19 16.0
16 Kyler Murray 22 14 14 17 18 17.0
17 Jimmy Garoppolo 17 19 26 8 16 17.2
18 Teddy Bridgewater 15 20 24 13 14 17.2
19 Philip Rivers 23 21 19 15 15 18.6
20 Matthew Stafford 21 17 21 18 17 18.8
21 Ben Roethlisberger 12 23 20 20 20 19.0
22 Baker Mayfield 19 9 27 21 22 19.6
23 Kirk Cousins 25 28 9 24 23 21.8
24 Joe Burrow 24 24 18 26 25 23.4
25 Gardner Minshew  20 25 25 23 24 23.4
26 Daniel Jones 29 22 15 30 31 25.4
27 Nick Foles 27 27 29 25 27 27.0
28 Cam Newton 30 29 23 28 28 27.6
29 Carson Wentz 28 26 28 29 29 28.0
30 Dwayne Haskins 26 31 32 27 26 28.4
31 Sam Darnold 31 30 30 32 32 31.0
32 Drew Lock 32 32 31 31 30 31.2

 

Tier 1- Rodgers, Mahomes, Tannehill, Wilson

Tier 2- Allen, Watson, Carr, Brees, Brady, Herbert, Dak

Tier 3- Goff, Ryan

Tier 4- Lamar, Fitzpatrick, Murray, Jimmy G, Bridgewater

Tier 5- Rivers, Stafford, Ben, Baker

Tier 6- Cousins, Burrow, Minshew

Tier 7- Jones, Foles, Cam, Wentz, Haskins, Darnold, Lock

 

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On 10/27/2020 at 12:00 AM, The_Slamman said:

Truly idiotic statement.  The only way this could possibly be settled would be to see how the $28M Difference dalton and Dak gets allocated to the rest of the team.  What is settled however is that Dallas is fielding probably its worst defense in team history due in large part to paying Dak $31M.  We lost multiple defensive contributors because we could not afford to keep them.  It is 100% settled that paying Dak $31M this year objectively HURT this football team.  We went from a team that gave up 20 ppg to a team that gives up 34 ppg.  

Umm, you think this Front Office would spent $28M wisely?  I mean **** in one hand and wish in the other and tell me which gets full first.  If you do not believe in the FO as much as I believe you do you know your argument holds no water because the team will not spend $28M to improve on defense wisely. We could have signed Jones (the only real loss) and the front office made it very clear "BuT nO InTErcEptIOns Tho".

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8 hours ago, plan9misfit said:

With continued garbage performances against good teams, a terrible record over his last 20 games, and regularly disappearing in the 2nd and 3rd quarters. 

Why is it so hard to be factual? 

Dak has played fine against decent teams. His numbers against teams with winning records is still in the top 10 range.

Dak is not solely responsible for wins and losses. I am not sure why people keep parading a team stat and pretending its all on Dak.

Daks best quarters are the 2nd and 3rd. Which has been pointed out at least 25 times. 

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