CAPJ Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 @Matts4313 Which QB do you have ranked over Dak for one season? Which QBs would you want to have over Dak for the next 3 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 23 minutes ago, Calvert28 said: The Rams were in good shape this year. Just saying. And Goff was only $10m this year. So you cant blame the contract. Just Saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt79511 Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 19 minutes ago, Northland said: You're a Cowboys fan. You should be thrilled with being competitive. See this is my thing. I get the fixation on QB cap percentages with all the recent trends, but, really, what's the endgame here? *You* might be able to go 19-0 and win the Super Bowl 58-0 in Madden after replacing Dak with another mid-round QB and splurging the $30M in savings on defense. But here in reality, Dak has been the QB for 4 of 24 straight years that did not end in a Final Four appearance for the Dallas Cowboys So cry all you want. Who knows, maybe we do take the Cousins approach and let him go after two tags, and the he goes and disappoints some other team on a market-setting three year deal. All that would really show is how comparable we are to the Redskins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northland Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, matt79511 said: See this is my thing. I get the fixation on QB cap percentages with all the recent trends, but, really, what's the endgame here? *You* might be able to go 19-0 and win the Super Bowl 58-0 in Madden after replacing Dak with another mid-round QB and splurging the $30M in savings on defense. But here in reality, Dak has been the QB for 4 of 24 straight years that did not end in a Final Four appearance for the Dallas Cowboys So cry all you want. Who knows, maybe we do take the Cousins approach and let him go after two tags, and the he goes and disappoints some other team on a market-setting three year deal. All that would really show is how comparable we are to the Redskins Your Redskins comparison was kind of my point too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 1 minute ago, CAPJ said: @Matts4313 Which QB do you have ranked over Dak for one season? Im assuming you mean for 2020? Wilson Mahomes Brees (assuming his body isnt broken) Brady (assuming his body isnt broken) Rodgers (assuming his body isnt broken) Watson Jackson 1 minute ago, CAPJ said: Which QBs would you want to have over Dak for the next 3 years? Wilson Mahomes Watson (assuming his body isnt broken) Jackson (assuming his body isnt broken) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CAPJ Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: Im assuming you mean for 2020? Wilson Mahomes Brees (assuming his body isnt broken) Brady (assuming his body isnt broken) Rodgers (assuming his body isnt broken) Watson Jackson Wilson Mahomes Watson (assuming his body isnt broken) Jackson (assuming his body isnt broken) Yes sir I meant for 2020. Assuming health, the only additional I would take over Dak for this year would be Stafford. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calvert28 Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 1 hour ago, Matts4313 said: And Goff was only $10m this year. So you cant blame the contract. Just Saying. And Dak has only cost us 5 million total since 2016. I wonder how paying him 35 million is going to magically put us over the edge, is this like Popeye's spinach and he's just to become superhuman? I mean if Dak is already the greatest ever and yet we have still failed to get anywhere with him, what good is giving him 35 million going to do? I would like this one explained. If the results have been much of the same when we have made out like a bandit with him on the roster for 4 years and yet have diddly to show for it, and now it's going to limit roster spots/contracts by upwards to what, 20M per year at best. How exactly do we build around that if we haven't been able to do it with the 3 years we've already had with arguably the best scouting department in the NFL along with such a great coach that JG was? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WizardHawk Posted May 9, 2020 Author Share Posted May 9, 2020 I admire the stick-to-it-ness of some of you. So I renamed this thread to coincide with the cycle jerk Dak debate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 4 hours ago, D82 said: @Calvert28 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WizardHawk Posted May 9, 2020 Author Share Posted May 9, 2020 Double like if I could ^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGame316 Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 1 hour ago, matt79511 said: See this is my thing. I get the fixation on QB cap percentages with all the recent trends, but, really, what's the endgame here? *You* might be able to go 19-0 and win the Super Bowl 58-0 in Madden after replacing Dak with another mid-round QB and splurging the $30M in savings on defense. But here in reality, Dak has been the QB for 4 of 24 straight years that did not end in a Final Four appearance for the Dallas Cowboys So cry all you want. Who knows, maybe we do take the Cousins approach and let him go after two tags, and the he goes and disappoints some other team on a market-setting three year deal. All that would really show is how comparable we are to the Redskins The Redskins flipped to Alex Smith, which was working until he had a gruesome injury that set them back at quarterback to where they are today Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 14 minutes ago, Calvert28 said: And Dak has only cost us 5 million total since 2016. I wonder how paying him 35 million is going to magically put us over the edge, is this like Popeye's spinach and he's just to become superhuman? I mean if Dak is already the greatest ever and yet we have still failed to get anywhere with him, what good is giving him 35 million going to do? 1. Read the tweets that @D82 posted. 2. Because he has "eaten spinach" every season and has improved dramatically. 3. Ive recently learned this: *COACHING HELD BACK EVERY OTHER SINGLE PLAYER ON THE TEAM* So now that those schmucks can live up to their potential, we should be fine. 14 minutes ago, Calvert28 said: I would like this one explained. If the results have been much of the same when we have made out like a bandit with him on the roster for 4 years and yet have diddly to show for it, and now it's going to limit roster spots/contracts by upwards to what, 20M per year at best. How exactly do we build around that if we haven't been able to do it with the 3 years we've already had with arguably the best scouting department in the NFL along with such a great coach that JG was? The same way literally 60-75% of championship/superbowl caliber teams have the last 25 years. Its amazing, teams seem to figure it out. You wanna know why? Managing the cap is 100x's easier than finding another top 10 QB. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGame316 Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 3 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: @Calvert28 Already debunked this a few pages back... but Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matts4313 Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/qb Seriously. Look at how freaking hard it is to find a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGame316 Posted May 9, 2020 Share Posted May 9, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Matts4313 said: 1. Read the tweets that @D82 posted. 2. Because he has "eaten spinach" every season and has improved dramatically. 3. Ive recently learned this: *COACHING HELD BACK EVERY OTHER SINGLE PLAYER ON THE TEAM* So now that those schmucks can live up to their potential, we should be fine. The same way literally 60-75% of championship/superbowl caliber teams have the last 25 years. Its amazing, teams seem to figure it out. You wanna know why? Managing the cap is 100x's easier than finding another top 10 QB. This is false because teams haven't "Built" around a Top Paid QB and had success winning the Superbowl They either got there before they paid him (Wilson, Flacco, Mahomes, Wentz/Foles, or he was the Final piece to an already loaded roster (Manning) or he was Tom Brady on an under market contract with the greatest roster builder of all time (Belichick) Then you got the losers on cheap deals like, Goff and Kaepernick, The teams that had a Top Paid QB that made it there, were 1 and dones like the Falcons, Panthers. Started losing pieces as soon as they made it the 1 time and sunk down to mediocrity So unless you think the 49ers built around JimmyG and not their vastly underpaid defence, you have to go to Eli Manning (who we all know got it done with their defensive front) or 10 years back to Rodgers/Roethlisberger (and I have no idea where they were in terms of money) Building around Top paid QB's gets you a good record, but it doesn't get you Superbowls The window is when they are on the cheap, You luck into one of them and ride them until you have to pay them. Once you do, you're up against the next team that lucked into their "on the cheap" QB Edited May 9, 2020 by TheGame316 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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