showtime Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 I think Sanchez might be correct, but I'm actually not sure myself. I know there's some type of rule that makes it to where you can't just keep trading first rounders year after year unless you have multiple first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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seminoles1 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 The Lakers can't trade their 2020 1st rounder. Also, teams don't view these trades as helping the Lakers. They'll do them if they like the players/return. I mean the Mavericks traded for washed Andrew Bogut so the Warriors could sign Kevin Durant, so it's not like teams give a ****. People kept taking Houston's trash a couple years ago for cash. I would gladly take Wagner or Bonga on the Grizzlies simply for heavily protected 2nd round picks. Plenty of teams would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11sanchez11 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 (edited) 53 minutes ago, J-ALL-DAY said: I took that as they can trade their 2019 first rounder even without multiple first round picks after the draft. yes, because once the draft happens the players don't count as draft picks. Deandre Hunter was announced as a Laker because they aren't trading for the draft pick, they are trading for the player after he is drafted. So it is not really trading B2B picks. They traded Hunter's rights after he was drafted. So they can trade the 2019 pick. 53 minutes ago, J-ALL-DAY said: The only thing here preventing the Lakers from trading their 2020 1st rounder is not having the 2021 1st rounder. yes. they would be able to trade their pick this year if they didn't already have their '21 pick traded. Edited June 24, 2019 by 11sanchez11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 13 minutes ago, seminoles1 said: Teams don't view these trades as helping the Lakers. They'll do them if they like the players/return. I mean the Mavericks traded for washed Andrew Bogut so the Warriors could sign Kevin Durant, so it's not like teams give a ****. People kept taking Houston's trash a couple years ago for cash. I would gladly take Wagner or Bonga on the Grizzlies simply for heavily protected 2nd round picks. Plenty of teams would. Exactly right. All these "why would any team help the Lakers posts" are silly. I personally couldn't tell you what the players in question are valued at but if another team views one or more of them as helping their roster - they'll make a deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11sanchez11 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 22 minutes ago, seminoles1 said: Also, teams don't view these trades as helping the Lakers. They'll do them if they like the players/return. That was the point of my post. They are trading nothing players. Also the the team would have to use cap space and roster spots on them. Which cuts down the available options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 15 minutes ago, 11sanchez11 said: That was the point of my post. They are trading nothing players. Also the the team would have to use cap space and roster spots on them. Which cuts down the available options. Wagner and Bonga were both top 40 picks a year ago. They don't hold absolutely no value, though obviously they aren't assets or anything at this point. Teams with little to no young talent would take those players for nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 48 minutes ago, seminoles1 said: Also, teams don't view these trades as helping the Lakers. They'll do them if they like the players/return. I mean the Mavericks traded for washed Andrew Bogut so the Warriors could sign Kevin Durant, so it's not like teams give a ****. People kept taking Houston's trash a couple years ago for cash. I would gladly take Wagner or Bonga on the Grizzlies simply for heavily protected 2nd round picks. Plenty of teams would. That's what I'm getting at. I actually think the Hawks are an ideal team to "dump" Wagner and Bonga on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 27 minutes ago, 11sanchez11 said: That was the point of my post. They are trading nothing players. Also the the team would have to use cap space and roster spots on them. Which cuts down the available options. Two top 40 picks who are still on their rookie contracts? Sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
11sanchez11 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, CWood21 said: Two top 40 picks who are still on their rookie contracts? Sure. Josh Jackson was a top 5 pick two years ago. Okobo was the 31st pick last year. We are trying to trade both for cap space. We haven't been able to trade them. If you are a terrible team JJ and Okobo have way more value than Wagner and Bonga. You have to find a team with cap space, that doesn't have plans to use it or it won't hurt their plans, roster spots available, and that value the players. Its not that easy. Edited June 24, 2019 by 11sanchez11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, CWood21 said: That's what I'm getting at. I actually think the Hawks are an ideal team to "dump" Wagner and Bonga on. I'd gladly take them both on the Grizzlies for a 2nd or 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 Guys, just give them all to the Grizzlies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 7 minutes ago, 11sanchez11 said: Josh Jackson was a top 5 pick two years ago. Okobo was the 31st pick last year. We are trying to trade both for cap space. We haven't been able to trade them. If you are a terrible team JJ and Okobo have way more value than Wagner and Bonga. You have to find a team with cap space, that doesn't have plans to use it or it won't hurt their plans, roster spots available, and that value the players. Its not that easy. Have the Suns actually tried trading them into cap space, or are they trying to get something back? I don't see the Suns just salary dumping those two, but I don't follow the Suns very closely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWood21 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, seminoles1 said: I'd gladly take them both on the Grizzlies for a 2nd or 2. Honestly, I think they're waiting to see if they have a commitment from a FA. I think they could offer up a Wagner/Bonga package and take back a veteran whose making a bit less than $6.2M next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seminoles1 Posted June 24, 2019 Share Posted June 24, 2019 If you can't get Kawhi then spread the wealth. You have enough star power. Get them some help who know their roles, not a 3rd star who will be underutilized, this overpaid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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