cannondale Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: What else are you going to do with the TE? Didn't look at that part close enough - get to the second level ? Edit. Blocking the lateral pursuit from the LB's on the second level seems more beneficial Edited August 20, 2019 by cannondale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlondeonBlonde Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 17 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Agree with everything you're saying except that I'm not so down on the 3 WR sets. LaFleur averaged 2.45 WRs per snap last year in TN. I suspect this year it will be closer to 2.55. Still not nearly enough. To be fair, weren't the Titans ravaged by injuries at the position? I would hope that MLFs offense is at least somewhat tailored to fit the personnel he's given. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugger Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Was he completely in charge of TN's offense in 2018? I seriously doubt he is showing all his cards in these preseason games. I know this place is Footballs Future but we can't really foretell how this offense is going to function after only 2 preseason games. I recall a lot of folks were nervous about the last HC we hired who never was a HC before too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, cannondale said: Didn't look at that part close enough - get to the second level ? Edit. Blocking the lateral pursuit from the LB's on the second level seems more beneficial Are they going to get there in time with any degree of frequency? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Are they going to get there in time with any degree of frequency? On the first play - there was no one left to block. On the second play 50? and 53 made the tackle. Edit. On the first play the LB's actually pursued with the TE - misdirection - but I'm guessing that only works once as they ignored the TE movement on the second play and made the tackle Edited August 20, 2019 by cannondale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlexGreen#20 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 20 minutes ago, cannondale said: On the first play - there was no one left to block. On the second play 50? and 53 made the tackle. Edit. On the first play the LB's actually pursued with the TE - misdirection - but I'm guessing that only works once as they ignored the TE movement on the second play and made the tackle Which plays are you referencing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 30 minutes ago, BlondeonBlonde said: To be fair, weren't the Titans ravaged by injuries at the position? I would hope that MLFs offense is at least somewhat tailored to fit the personnel he's given. That and the fact that they really didn't have much talent at the position to begin. 30 minutes ago, Pugger said: Was he completely in charge of TN's offense in 2018? I seriously doubt he is showing all his cards in these preseason games. I know this place is Footballs Future but we can't really foretell how this offense is going to function after only 2 preseason games. I recall a lot of folks were nervous about the last HC we hired who never was a HC before too. Nobody shows all their cards in preseason except the Arizona's and Jacksonville's of the world because the reset button is their best friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cannondale Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 7 minutes ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Which plays are you referencing? First page - Ben Fennell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deathstar Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 hour ago, cannondale said: On the first play - there was no one left to block. On the second play 50? and 53 made the tackle. Edit. On the first play the LB's actually pursued with the TE - misdirection - but I'm guessing that only works once as they ignored the TE movement on the second play and made the tackle Ignoring the TE could be the point; play action and hit em for a first down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 18 hours ago, AlexGreen#20 said: Trust me man, no one is more concerned than I am that we hired a kid who runs his grandpa's offense. How much 11, 12 and 13 personnel did Shanny run in Atlanta when they were good? Why does that have to be a grandpa offense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 20 minutes ago, incognito_man said: Why does that have to be a grandpa offense? MLF's grandpa was a coach. Matt’s grandfather, Bob Barringer, coached football for nine years at Loy Norrix High School in Kalamazoo, Michigan, in the 1960s and ’70s. Here's an article on the Shanahan offense in SF and how he is evolving. https://ninerswire.usatoday.com/2019/06/01/kyle-shanahans-evolving-position-less-offense/ “Positionless” is the phrase du jour for describing what the 49ers are building on offense. They’re stocking up on players who allow them to vary their play calls and formations without ever changing the personnel. That layer of unpredictability is potentially deadly in a league where opposing coaches feast on tendencies. Shanahan was already on the forefront of this concept last season. San Francisco ran 11 personnel (one running back, one tight end) with three receivers only 39 percent of the time last season, according to Sharp Football Stats. The next-lowest in the league was New Orleans at 53 percent. The NFL as a whole used 11 personnel a whopping 66 percent of the time, and passed out of that formation at the same rate. San Francisco passed out of 11 personnel 83 percent of the time. It’s the most predictable of the common personnel groupings, and the 49ers utilized it far less than the rest of the league. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanedorf Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 from Ben Fennell via The Athletic The Packers had four pass plays over 20 yards in the loss to the Ravens with three of four coming off play-action concepts. We got our first glimpse of a Matt LaFleur offense with sequenced play calls. The Packers offense ran three consecutive plays in the third quarter with the same personnel, formation and run action. All three plays were 11 personnel (three WR) three-by-one formations with identical split zone run actions. There were no substitutions between plays. The first two plays had well-executed blocks by TE Robert Tonyan, who cut the backside DE (getting his opponent on the ground each time) and helping generate gains of 28 and 5 yards for rookie RB Darrin Hall. The third play in the sequence is the same split zone run action but ended up being a play-action fake. Tonyan comes across the formation in the same manner but ends up incorporating into the pass protection for QB Tim Boyle. You can see the space and time Boyle has to survey downfield, finding WR Allen Lazard coming open late for 25 yards. https://cdn.theathletic.com/app/uploads/2019/08/19231102/1-SEQUENCING-1.mp4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leader Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 23 minutes ago, Shanedorf said: from Ben Fennell via The Athletic The Packers had four pass plays over 20 yards in the loss to the Ravens with three of four coming off play-action concepts. We got our first glimpse of a Matt LaFleur offense with sequenced play calls. The Packers offense ran three consecutive plays in the third quarter with the same personnel, formation and run action. All three plays were 11 personnel (three WR) three-by-one formations with identical split zone run actions. There were no substitutions between plays. The first two plays had well-executed blocks by TE Robert Tonyan, who cut the backside DE (getting his opponent on the ground each time) and helping generate gains of 28 and 5 yards for rookie RB Darrin Hall. The third play in the sequence is the same split zone run action but ended up being a play-action fake. Tonyan comes across the formation in the same manner but ends up incorporating into the pass protection for QB Tim Boyle. You can see the space and time Boyle has to survey downfield, finding WR Allen Lazard coming open late for 25 yards. It sounds like a well disguised offensive scheme and look forward to AR running it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rainmaker90 Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Not enough info to make any assumptions imo about a Matt LaFleur offense but I’m willing to bet we will be seeing more 3WR sets than 2 TE sets . Look where the talent is. It’s WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norm Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 5 hours ago, deathstar said: Listened to this guy on Matt Waldman’s podcast and he’s got an article on this topic: https://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=2019-green-bay-packers-coaching-change-analysis The podcast: https://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2019/06/20/matt-waldmans-rsp-cast-ep-74-projecting-the-packers-offense-with-dwain-mcfarland/ Hes got a big year for Adams, MVS, and Jones and a 57/43 pass/run split. I liked this, until it was just endless numbers guessing for every player. I know it's old but he laughed at himself for thinking Tonyan would have 4 TDs this year when predicting it months ago. I think that's pretty damn realistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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