Cheesehawk Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 37 minutes ago, Daniel said: Yall are smoking crack if you think anything more than a day three pick is worth getting a kicker. The Titans grabbed Succop from waivers and he set a kicking record the next season. Different situation. and to be fair, his first 3 seasons with Tennessee were his 3 best seasons throughout his 8 year career at that time. Prior to that he posted FG%s of, 09 - 86.2% 10 - 76.9% 11 - 80% 12 - 82.4% 13 - 78.6% Not even in the same stratosphere as Tucker.. Succop is what we have classified in this thread as a replaceable kicker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 18 minutes ago, Cheesehawk said: Different situation. and to be fair, his first 3 seasons with Tennessee were his 3 best seasons throughout his 8 year career at that time. Prior to that he posted FG%s of, 09 - 86.2% 10 - 76.9% 11 - 80% 12 - 82.4% 13 - 78.6%Not even in the same stratosphere as Tucker.. Succop is what we have classified in this thread as a replaceable kicker. And it doesn't matter. The line between a great kicker and a replaceable kicker is tiny. And like I said, he set a record for most consecutive field goals from less than 50. But I guess you're right, the Raiders were always such a great team after they got Janikowski. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AFlaccoSeagulls Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Daniel said: And it doesn't matter. The line between a great kicker and a replaceable kicker is tiny. And like I said, he set a record for most consecutive field goals from less than 50. But I guess you're right, the Raiders were always such a great team after they got Janikowski. This is objectively false, but okay. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 20 minutes ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said: This is objectively false, but okay. Actually, you're right. I'll rephrase it: the line between what a replaceable kicker does for your team overall, and what a great kicker does for your team is tiny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Reed Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Just now, Daniel said: Actually, you're right. I'll rephrase it: the line between what a replaceable kicker does for your team overall, and what a great kicker does for your team is tiny. The difference between Billy Cundiff in 2011 and Justin Tucker in 2012 for those Ravens teams was literally a super bowl lol 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeotheLion Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 (edited) Maybe a 3rd if I was absolutely desperate and it would be an overpay. I cannot imagine anyone thinking a 1st would be in play. Tucker is the best kicker in the league but there are so many other kickers that provide relatively similar production. Tucker was a 89.7% kicker last year. The 20th kicker was 83.9%. Over the course of the year that would be just 1.5 more made field goals. The smarter decision would be to use that first to help bolster the offense so that you don't have to rely as much on a kicker. The Chiefs have a really good kicker and he only had the 20th most attempts because that offense was so effective at finishing off drives. From a value standpoint why would a team trade a 1st for Tucker when you can probably trade a 6th and get Matt Prater? Edited August 21, 2019 by LeotheLion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dome Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I think people in the extremes on both sides of this argument are wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 I’m pretty bullish on kickers in general. In a league where the average margin of victory is small a kicker like Tucker is a real advantage imo. He’s one of the best in league history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkippyX Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 The 1998 Vikings or the 1990 Bills would give you their entire drafts for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDez Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 Have you seen Steve Keim’s track record in the first rd? Take our picks Ozzie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavensfanRD Posted August 21, 2019 Share Posted August 21, 2019 We starting at a 1st rounder. Don't got no wrap for any team unless we're starting there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaguarCrazy2832 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 I get that he is good but thats alot to offer still for a kicker. I mean we kill teams for even drafting one at all and you're going to spend that high of a pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketchup Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 19 hours ago, RavensfanRD said: We starting at a 1st rounder. Don't got no wrap for any team unless we're starting there. I wouldn't spend a 1st. I'd give a 2nd for Tucker though. Draft picks are overrated and Tucker is the most valuable kicker in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Ramster Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Didn’t he choke a game by missing a PAT? Not much imo. Not much at all.. Im happy with our kicker whose clutch.. Kicked a 57 yard bomb to send us to the super bowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tom cody Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 One of the best kickers ever. I think he's worth a 2nd in a trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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