Kiwibrown Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 I have seen 3 no.1 overall pick QB jave their careers ruined from ineptitude of the front office. Couch 66 sacks his rookie year iirc Carr 70+ sacks his rookie year Luck multiple 40+ sack years. All from not having a good enough oline and bad systems that let them get ruined. One coach has had a hand in two of them, Bruce Arians. He has potentially moved on to his third in Jamis Winston. Billions gets invested into this sport and terrible management prevails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackywabbit Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Situation matters a lot for career outcomes. I would also throw out that there are parallel universes where Carson Palmer stays healthy and is a slam dunk first ballot HOF'er. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelersfan43 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 To be fair with Bruce Arians, he was the OC of the Cleveland Browns only between 2001 to 2003 (Arians was the QB coach of Peyton Manning in 1998 to 2000) and even if Couch had 51 sacks in 2001, it was still less than 1999! And he had been the coach of Andrew Luck only in his rookie season in 2012 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patriotsheatyan Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 Or the QBs were to blame. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 3 minutes ago, patriotsheatyan said: Or the QBs were to blame. It's both. Kinda. Couch should have never been drafted number one and thrust into a starter's role. He was probably never that caliber of player to begin with, and even on the outside chance he was, should have sat and learned for some time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buc Ball Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 It’s all about giving young QBs a good situation. Expecting them to throw 40+ times a game, not giving them a running game to lean on, or giving them a bad oline to work behind is just asking for trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thrILL! Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Kiwibrown said: Couch 66 sacks his rookie year iirc Couch wouldn't have done anything even if he had 1997 Denver's OL. Dude was terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uncle Buck Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 It comes down to the old chicken or the egg question. You have a lousy team that just earned you the first overall pick in the draft. You have needs EVERYWHERE. With the first overall pick, do you take a great QB prospect and then hope he can stay healthy until you can put some decent offensive linemen in front of him, or do you just build up the line first and hope you can get a QB later, knowing that you probably won't have the #1 pick in the draft with a more balanced roster in place? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted August 25, 2019 Share Posted August 25, 2019 1 hour ago, thrILL! said: 2 hours ago, Kiwibrown said: Couch 66 sacks his rookie year iirc Couch wouldn't have done anything even if he had 1997 Denver's OL. Dude was terrible. Ditto to Carr. He didn't put in any sort of work in the study room or practice field to improve - he still didn't know how read a defense, he didn't look off coverages, he didn't know how to step up in a pocket to avoid edge rushers, he still threw with no touch and he didn't have the work ethic or football IQ to develop those things. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steelersfan43 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 15 minutes ago, ET80 said: Ditto to Carr. He didn't put in any sort of work in the study room or practice field to improve - he still didn't know how read a defense, he didn't look off coverages, he didn't know how to step up in a pocket to avoid edge rushers, he still threw with no touch and he didn't have the work ethic or football IQ to develop those things. Yeah I agree. I heard way too many excuses about David Carr in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted August 26, 2019 Author Share Posted August 26, 2019 17 minutes ago, ET80 said: Ditto to Carr. He didn't put in any sort of work in the study room or practice field to improve - he still didn't know how read a defense, he didn't look off coverages, he didn't know how to step up in a pocket to avoid edge rushers, he still threw with no touch and he didn't have the work ethic or football IQ to develop those things. Some ofthat must of that must have been coaching also? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ET80 Posted August 26, 2019 Share Posted August 26, 2019 Just now, Kiwibrown said: Some ofthat must of that must have been coaching also? A lot of it was coaching, not going to discount that - but at this level, the player has to put in some work off hours. By all accounts, Carr didn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted August 26, 2019 Author Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 hour ago, thrILL! said: Couch wouldn't have done anything even if he had 1997 Denver's OL. Dude was terrible. Not true. He had a great arm and was accurate, and a pretty good athlete, with good coaching and scheme he would of been a matt ryan teir player imo. He was a 2nd teir early 1st round qb imo, below that of Elway, manning, and luck. Comfortably sits with Baker, Goff, Darnold, McNabb, Ryan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted August 26, 2019 Author Share Posted August 26, 2019 1 minute ago, ET80 said: A lot of it was coaching, not going to discount that - but at this level, the player has to put in some work off hours. By all accounts, Carr didn't. Interesting, I wonder if it was a scouting error, or if he changed qhen he got money... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiwibrown Posted August 26, 2019 Author Share Posted August 26, 2019 Couch as a bust because of a lack of talent is a hill I will die. Bring it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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