Chasing Great: Week 1, On to GB

[AZBearsFan]

21 minutes ago, dll2000 said:

I would love to sit in on the install.  

Me too. 

I just think Nagy can dictate so much more what the defense will do with the personnel we have now without Burton than he could in January. He can scheme to make the U blocking responsibilities greatly lessened by spreading the field without having to do so with WR/RB in whom he doesn’t have confidence like last year. If he wants he can force GB into nickel or dime most of the game and still have personnel with which we can presumably run the ball effectively. That just wasn’t going to happen last year. He can essentially dictate that whoever our RB is can run against 6-man boxes consistently OR that if we pass from that set that either a WR will he uncovered from a blitzer or one of our OTs will be able to get double team help on one of GB’s new edge rushers if need be. To me that’s HUUUUUUUGE. 

Randomly, the Athletic did an article on just this topic today (the Burton replacements) if you have a subscription. Perhaps Fishbain is a lurker here... 

[dafreak]

It's the Packers and they have sucked for awhile now...Bears 72, Packers -6....

[soulman]

8 hours ago, AZBearsFan said:

The idea that after how the playoff game played out last year the Bears are going into week 1 without a legitimate contingency should Burton be unavailable is pretty crazy to me. Pace and Nagy are nothing if not thorough. Just because we haven’t seen their contingency plan in practice yet certainly doesn’t mean that a viable one doesn’t exist. We probably should have a little confidence in your coach of the year and should-have-been GM of the year, no? Did they not earn any benefit of the doubt last year at all? 

This my thinking as well and possibly another use for Patterson.  We're talking about a very large WR with even better speed than Burton whose been here since spring and through all of the OTAs and camp.

To think that they haven't at least experimented some with using him in place of Burton on certain play calls is selling short on Nagy's ability to get creative with his personnel.  Wims is another who should be able to cover some of those same routes.

Overall I'm more focused on the effectiveness of our running game, the RBs contributions to the passing game, and Mitch's accuracy in the passing game than whether or not Burton is out there.  We had ample time to prepare for that.

[dll2000]

9 hours ago, soulman said:

This my thinking as well and possibly another use for Patterson.  We're talking about a very large WR with even better speed than Burton whose been here since spring and through all of the OTAs and camp.

To think that they haven't at least experimented some with using him in place of Burton on certain play calls is selling short on Nagy's ability to get creative with his personnel.  Wims is another who should be able to cover some of those same routes.

Overall I'm more focused on the effectiveness of our running game, the RBs contributions to the passing game, and Mitch's accuracy in the passing game than whether or not Burton is out there.  We had ample time to prepare for that.

@AZBearsFan They addressed this in latest press conference.   They said they are set up so no one guy can derail them this year offensively.  

I think the limitation of Howard's receiving abilities, the teams inability to run IZ with Howard against Cox and co., Shaheen's injury limitation ("I was playing on one leg") and Burton's last minute injury just before the game was just too many factors they could not overcome against a good defense.  

Even with all that the Bears were 4 inches from winning that game.  Kind of crazy.

Philly was really smart to take Cohen away once it was announced Burton was out.   I have to think not every coach would think to do that.   Also made the Bears smarter in it made them spend off season making sure they were more versatile.

 

 

 

 

 

[Heinz D.]

On 9/2/2019 at 9:52 PM, dafreak said:

It's the Packers and they have sucked for awhile now...Bears 72, Packers -6....

But what if Mini-Ditka was coaching them? 

[dafreak]

32 minutes ago, Heinz D. said:

But what if Mini-Ditka was coaching them? 

[Sugashane]

37 minutes ago, Heinz D. said:

But what if Mini-Ditka was coaching them? 

 

I feel like that may be Dinklage's greatest potential role. Put a child sized vest and a swisher sweet in his mouth and watch the magic.

 

 

[soulman]

Just to show how little confidence the odds makers have in the outcome the Bears are only 3 pt favorites.  That home field edge only.

I never predict scores but if the defense comes to play and Mitch and the rest have even an average game we should do better than that.

[Howler]

On 9/2/2019 at 7:35 PM, AZBearsFan said:

Me too. 

I just think Nagy can dictate so much more what the defense will do with the personnel we have now without Burton than he could in January. He can scheme to make the U blocking responsibilities greatly lessened by spreading the field without having to do so with WR/RB in whom he doesn’t have confidence like last year. If he wants he can force GB into nickel or dime most of the game and still have personnel with which we can presumably run the ball effectively. That just wasn’t going to happen last year. He can essentially dictate that whoever our RB is can run against 6-man boxes consistently OR that if we pass from that set that either a WR will he uncovered from a blitzer or one of our OTs will be able to get double team help on one of GB’s new edge rushers if need be. To me that’s HUUUUUUUGE. 

Randomly, the Athletic did an article on just this topic today (the Burton replacements) if you have a subscription. Perhaps Fishbain is a lurker here... 

Packers predominantly play nickel. It may as well be their base.

[JAF-N72EX]

5 hours ago, Sugashane said:

 

I feel like that may be Dinklage's greatest potential role. Put a child sized vest and a swisher sweet in his mouth and watch the magic.

 

 

HAHA. I swear to god. When I  read Heinz post I was thinking the same thing and when you posted this pic all I could hear was "DAAAAA Bears"".

[JAF-N72EX]

1 hour ago, soulman said:

Just to show how little confidence the odds makers have in the outcome the Bears are only 3 pt favorites.  That home field edge only.

I never predict scores but if the defense comes to play and Mitch and the rest have even an average game we should do better than that.

Because most odds makers don't pay as close of attention to the game as we do and they make most of their money by taking close gambles like these ones are (those that are close to 50/50) and those happen to almost always occur in the early part of the season. By week 6 or so, it starts to even out a bit. 

This helps them make up for their inevitable let down in games which they deem as "well that's an easy spread to cover, so let me bet double down". They see the line and read about each team through social media and whatnot and then decide what to do then. If the bets are close then they take their chances. See Mayweather/Pac fight or example. Anyone with any sense of the sport knew Pac had no chance in hell at winning but the bets for Pac went thru the roof.

[soulman]

5 hours ago, JustAnotherFan said:

Because most odds makers don't pay as close of attention to the game as we do and they make most of their money by taking close gambles like these ones are (those that are close to 50/50) and those happen to almost always occur in the early part of the season. By week 6 or so, it starts to even out a bit. 

This helps them make up for their inevitable let down in games which they deem as "well that's an easy spread to cover, so let me bet double down". They see the line and read about each team through social media and whatnot and then decide what to do then. If the bets are close then they take their chances. See Mayweather/Pac fight or example. Anyone with any sense of the sport knew Pac had no chance in hell at winning but the bets for Pac went thru the roof.

And mostly about balancing their "book" and making their sure profit on the "vig" from the winners.

That's why sports books and casinos never go broke except those in Atlantic City some guy from NYC once owned.

I posted it primarily because those odds or spreads are what are posted in sports sections so they're what an average fan follows.  If anyone took the time and effort to truly handicap this game based on the strength of each teams roster, their coaching staffs, and the results of their most recent meetings it would be difficult to NOT make the case for the Bears being at least a TD favorite at home.

If I was a betting man, and I'm not, I would certainly feel the Bears are capable of covering a 3 point spread tonight.

[Heinz D.]

22 hours ago, Sugashane said:

 

I feel like that may be Dinklage's greatest potential role. Put a child sized vest and a swisher sweet in his mouth and watch the magic.

 

 

Greatest potential role, for sure. We all know what his GREATEST role, up to this point, was...