devils1854 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 5 hours ago, BrownieTheElf said: So Law dropped his top 100, anyone have it? Apparently BA gave Vlad Jr 80 Hit Tool and 70 Power. That's pretty nuts because that would be better than Trout and Harper in when they were on top of the lists. Acuna #1. Compared him to Trout. Braves have 10 player on list. Other than that, no clue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewAge Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 I have access to Law's list but don't want to go through the horror of actually reading it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrubes20 Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 6 minutes ago, devils1854 said: Acuna #1. Compared him to Trout. Braves have 10 player on list. Other than that, no clue. That's beyond absurd. Nobody compares to Trout. The Justin Upton comp for Acuna is a solid one, IMO. I'm still having trouble with people ranking Acuna over Ohtani, though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewAge Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 3 hours ago, hrubes20 said: That's beyond absurd. Nobody compares to Trout. The Justin Upton comp for Acuna is a solid one, IMO. I'm still having trouble with people ranking Acuna over Ohtani, though. I also like the “Sheffield as a CF” comp for Acuña’s OFP. And same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownieTheElf Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 1 hour ago, NewAge said: I also like the “Sheffield as a CF” comp for Acuña’s OFP. And same. OFP meaning Offensive Future Production? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownieTheElf Posted January 24, 2018 Share Posted January 24, 2018 What’s everyone’s favorite top 100? MLB.com has their list this Saturday I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewAge Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, BrownieTheElf said: What’s everyone’s favorite top 100? MLB.com has their list this Saturday I believe. BP. And garbage, I won’t read that. I’d rank them: BP FG BA ESPN MLB 1 hour ago, BrownieTheElf said: OFP meaning Offensive Future Production? Overall Future Potential. A lot of scouts would write a likely and OFP grade for each prospect. Varies depending on the prospect’s individual risk level, but there’s usually a 10 point spread. For example, BP has Acuna as a likely 70 and OFP 80. Edited January 25, 2018 by NewAge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 2 hours ago, BrownieTheElf said: What’s everyone’s favorite top 100? MLB.com has their list this Saturday I believe. BP and Fangraphs are the only ones really worth digging into. Keith Law can't compete with how many looks they get at this point, BA's quality has gone through the toilet, and MLB.com is the worst of the bunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devils1854 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 I googled Keith Law's list and got these off a few different sites. Not going any further to not break rules, but you can find any team pretty easily. Detroit-Franklin Perez(67) Detroit-Daz Cameron(?) Toronto-Vlad Guerrero Jr(2) Texas-Leody Taveras(45) Boston-Michael Chavis(76) Boston-Jason Groome(30) Atlanta-Kyle Wright(26) Atlanta-Ian Anderson(48) Atlanta-Luiz Gohara(50) Atlanta-Cristian Pache(57) Atlanta-Mike SOroka(60) Atlanta-Bryse Wilson(68) Atlanta-Max Fried(77) Atlanta-Touki Toussaint(90) Atlant-Joey Went(96) Baltimore-Chance Sisco(53) Baltimore-Austin Hays(79) NY Mets-David Peterson(?) Washington-Victor Robles(4) Washington-Juan Soto(42) LA Angels-Jo Adell(55) LA Angels-Jaime Barria(62) LA Angels-Jahmai Jones(75) LA Angels-Chris Rodriguez(82) LA Angels-Brandon Marsh(88) San Diego-Fernando Tatis Jr(3) San Diego-MacKenzie Gore(14) San Diego-Luis Urias(38) San Diego-Michel Baez(51) San Diego-Adrian Morejon(72) San Diego-Cal Quantrill(81) San Diego-Logan Allen(89) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrownieTheElf Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 8 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: BP and Fangraphs are the only ones really worth digging into. Keith Law can't compete with how many looks they get at this point, BA's quality has gone through the toilet, and MLB.com is the worst of the bunch. With fangraphs getting back the scout from the Braves, I want to say Eric Logan-something you’d think they might be the new number 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devils1854 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Quote “if Acuna stays in center and maxes out his power, he’s going to be among the best players in baseball, with a Mike Trout-ish profile.” Thats the line he said about Acuna. Acuna isnt staying in center. Hell, he wont even play center as long as Inciarte is there winning gold gloves. He's a right fielder imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 Just now, BrownieTheElf said: With fangraphs getting back the scout from the Braves, I want to say Eric Logan-something you’d think they might be the new number 1. We'll see how much Kiley can report on after he resigned in disgrace, but yes I like them both as scouts. BP has a great team too though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewAge Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 32 minutes ago, devils1854 said: LA Angels-Jaime Barria(62) LA Angels-Jahmai Jones(75) yikes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrubes20 Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 BP has really turned it around. Outside of mlb.com, which has always been bad, BP was the worst of the bunch about 5 years ago or so. These days they probably would get my vote for best. besthese days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted January 25, 2018 Author Share Posted January 25, 2018 @hrubes20 the Acuna > Ohtani stuff gets nuts when you start reading the Fangaphs scouting report on him. Never read anything from Kiley/Eric that sounds like this: https://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/top-20-prospects-los-angeles-angels/ 1. Shohei Ohtani, RHP Video Signed: July 2nd Period, 2017 from Japan Age 23 Height 6’4 Weight 203 Bat/Throw L/R Tool Grades (Present/Future) Hit Raw Power Game Power Run Fielding Throw Fastball Slider Curveball Splitter Command 30/40 70/70 50/55 60/60 40/45 80/80 80/80 55/60 50/50 70/70 45/55 Where to begin? First, it’s worth discussing why Ohtani is even included within these rankings in the first place. There’s a pretty good argument that he doesn’t belong here: he’s an MLB-ready product who probably won’t take a minor-league bus ride in his life. Nevertheless, we felt that a few facts about him merit his inclusion. He’s younger than many of the players who appear throughout our lists. He was an amateur international free agent literally weeks ago. He’ll be providing the Angels with a prospect’s surplus value. (He’d be worth at least $250 million on the open market but will be making league minimum in 2017. So, great job, MLBPA.) Because of Ohtani’s geographic location, the injury issues that made him hard to see in 2017, and the inexact nature of NPB/MLB statistical equivalencies, most of what we know about Ohtani comes from him being scouted very heavily during the last two years. Shohei Ohtani is perhaps the most talented all-around baseball player on the planet. He is a toolsy, but volatile, prospect as a hitter with plus-plus raw power and plus speed; he could also immediately be one of the best pitchers in baseball because of the elite quality of his stuff. Teams have been on Ohtani since he was in high school. The Dodgers, Giants, Rangers, and Red Sox all pursued him during that time, and the threat that Ohtani would go to MLB right out of high school created a buzz in Japan. (This was in 2012 and 2013, during the time of soft international bonus caps. Ohtani said publicly at this time that he wanted to go right to MLB.) NPB teams (specifically the Hokkaido Fighters, who picked first overall in the 2012 draft) were forced to play chicken with Ohtani’s MLB suitors. There was risk he’d be picked up at the top of the NPB draft and just leave, but Hokkaido took him and convinced him to stay. He began dominating almost immediately, posting a 2.60 ERA with more strikeouts than innings pitched at age 19. He also slugged .505 that year. In the intervening years, Ohtani’s promising stuff has become god-like. He has an 80-grade fastball that averaged just over 98 mph and touched 103 during the 2016 season. His plus-plus splitter sits in the 89-91 range and has much more movement than is typical for a pitch that speed. His slider is above average and projects to plus (some have a future 70 on it) as Ohtani learns to use it against big-league hitters. Its horizontal movement might make it somewhat ineffective against left-handed hitters, but it should eat up righties. Ohtani also has an average, mid-70s curveball that he can throw for strikes. It will give him to use late in games, when he needs to show hitters something new. It’s No. 1/2 starter stuff already at age 23, and Ohtani has the kind of athleticism and makeup that allow for continued projection on his secondary stuff and command. Not only is Ohtani’s stuff great, but the underlying physical components that help him generate it are ideal. He has ideal pitcher’s size and body composition, and features an efficient arm action that unfurls like a winding staircase. He generates huge ground forces with his lower half, which often result in the shotgun-like kickback of his landing leg as Ohtani finishes his delivery out over his front side. That he’s not only able to do these things, but also keep his body balanced and under control during this process is astonishing, and the down-mound extension it helps create actually adds a bit of perceived velocity to Ohtani’s fastball. Ohtani’s athletic prowess is also evident in his hitting, but he’s not nearly as […] as he is on the mound. He has plus-plus raw power and will generate exit velocities up near 115 mph at times. He’ll also show clock home-to-first times around four seconds, flat, because of his plus speed and the jailbreak nature of the swing, which helps him get out of the box quicker than most hitters. He’s got an expansive approach, however, and some length in his swing. As a result, Ohtani struck out at a 27% clip in Japan. Major-league strikeout rates are on the rise but still average just 21%, and pitching in MLB is better than in NPB. The Angels have talked publicly about using Ohtani as a DH, and it’s possible he gets to enough of his raw power in games to make it worthwhile, but there’s real risk that his bat-to-ball skills just aren’t good enough for that. Because Ohtani will only be hitting part-time between starts, he’s less likely to develop those skills than if he were doing it daily. Hitting also puts Ohtani at increased risk for injury, and he dealt with several of those in 2017. He had blister issues in 2016. An ankle injury he sustained in October of 2016 lingered and prevented him from pitching during Hokkaido’s 2017 spring training in Arizona and the WBC. It required surgery in the fall of 2017. He also missed time with an injured hamstring early in the year and received a PRP injection in October to help remedy a first-degree UCL sprain. Ohtani can’t be totally shielded from injury no matter what the Angels do with him, but he’s baseball’s best prospect as a pitcher and asking him to hit a few times per week inarguably adds to the chances that something bad will happen. That seems somewhat foolish on its face but especially so when we realize there’s real risk that he doesn’t hit enough to matter as an offensive player. We all want to see it, but that doesn’t make it the best thing for Anaheim or for Ohtani. (Also wow copy/paste feature nailed this one. Props webby.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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