Utley Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 22 minutes ago, NewAge said: Just an incredible defensive player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey5djh Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 I asked this in the Phillies thread but I figure there's a broader knowledge base in here. With some of the Phillies better prospect bats (Hoskins and Kingery) currently being blocked at the major league level they've had Hoskins play a little LF and Kingery play a little 3B. How often (if ever) has a player switched positions this late in their development and been successful at the new position? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted August 9, 2017 Author Share Posted August 9, 2017 15 hours ago, NewAge said: Greenie what's your grade on his glove - 70 or 80? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted August 9, 2017 Author Share Posted August 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Hockey5djh said: I asked this in the Phillies thread but I figure there's a broader knowledge base in here. With some of the Phillies better prospect bats (Hoskins and Kingery) currently being blocked at the major league level they've had Hoskins play a little LF and Kingery play a little 3B. How often (if ever) has a player switched positions this late in their development and been successful at the new position? Down the defensive spectrum? All the time. Up the defensive spectrum is more rare. I don't get the Phillies moving Hoskins since they have nobody that good at 1B, but it's LF so even though Hoskins isn't a good runner he can't be THAT bad in a year where your win/loss record doesn't matter. Kingery going from 2B to 3B is all about if he has enough arm. That's technically down the defensive spectrum (ish 2B and 3B are different) so if he can throw he'll be fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewAge Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 6 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: Greenie what's your grade on his glove - 70 or 80? Haven't seen more than highlights on him so I don't know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hockey5djh Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 (edited) 49 minutes ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: Down the defensive spectrum? All the time. Up the defensive spectrum is more rare. I don't get the Phillies moving Hoskins since they have nobody that good at 1B, but it's LF so even though Hoskins isn't a good runner he can't be THAT bad in a year where your win/loss record doesn't matter. Kingery going from 2B to 3B is all about if he has enough arm. That's technically down the defensive spectrum (ish 2B and 3B are different) so if he can throw he'll be fine. Yea, the Hoskins move doesn't really make sense because Tommy Joseph isn't Jim Thome blocking Ryan Howard. He's a .250 hitter with a decent power profile but pretty replaceable at 1B IMO. Kingery to 3rd is interesting because we have no legitimate players to really challenge Franco and make him actually work for his position. I think both at this point are more experiments than actual switches but who knows. Edited August 9, 2017 by Hockey5djh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utley Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 1 hour ago, ramssuperbowl99 said: Down the defensive spectrum? All the time. Up the defensive spectrum is more rare. I don't get the Phillies moving Hoskins since they have nobody that good at 1B, but it's LF so even though Hoskins isn't a good runner he can't be THAT bad in a year where your win/loss record doesn't matter. Kingery going from 2B to 3B is all about if he has enough arm. That's technically down the defensive spectrum (ish 2B and 3B are different) so if he can throw he'll be fine. Hoskins' switch is just to get him some ABs because, for whatever reason, they refuse to bench Tommy Joseph. Kingery hasn't seen a ton of starts at 3B and they're just trying to see if he can do it. I don't think it's something that will stick for either player, or that the Phillies think it will stick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utley Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, NewAge said: Haven't seen more than highlights on him so I don't know. I see a ton of Ironpigs game, and I'm not as proficient as a baseball scout as a lot of you guys (or at all really), but I'd say it's a 70. He's picked it up as of late, but at the beginning of the year there was a major lack of consistency. His range is remarkable though, and it makes him really fun to watch. Edited August 9, 2017 by utley4568 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewAge Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 I think the only 80 glove shortstops in baseball are Lindor and Simmons, so a 70 sounds a lot more reasonable here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramssuperbowl99 Posted August 9, 2017 Author Share Posted August 9, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, NewAge said: I think the only 80 glove shortstops in baseball are Lindor and Simmons, so a 70 sounds a lot more reasonable here. He makes plays that I don't think Lindor can. I could see leaving Simmons as the only 80, or keeping Crawford at 70 if you don't think the consistency is going to materialize (which wouldn't be an unreasonable opinion). But in terms of pure range/physical ability on defense and focusing exclusively on ceiling, I think there's a case to be made for Crawford over Lindor. Edited August 9, 2017 by ramssuperbowl99 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewAge Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 This might also be a 7. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forge Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 3 hours ago, NewAge said: I think the only 80 glove shortstops in baseball are Lindor and Simmons, so a 70 sounds a lot more reasonable here. Simmons I get, but I can't see Lindor as an 80 glove. Defensively, I'm not sure I"m taking him over Brandon Crawford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsoxsuck05 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 27 minutes ago, Forge said: Simmons I get, but I can't see Lindor as an 80 glove. Defensively, I'm not sure I"m taking him over Brandon Crawford. Simmons is basically a 90. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utley Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 My hopes are now through the roof with Rhys Hoskins. Somebody please talk me down. And while you're at it, do the same with Scott Kingery and J.P. Crawford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsoxsuck05 Posted August 10, 2017 Share Posted August 10, 2017 10 minutes ago, utley4568 said: My hopes are now through the roof with Rhys Hoskins. Somebody please talk me down. And while you're at it, do the same with Scott Kingery and J.P. Crawford. Crawford is .237/.337/.360 in 825 PA in AAA There I talked you down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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