College Football and NFL Draft Discussion

[LETSGOBROWNIES]

If all 3 tackles are gone, someone else is going to be there.

And Becton could be the guy too.

Young, Simmons, Thomas, Wirfs, Wills.  That’s 5 guys I’d be very happy with at 10.

Okudah, Brown and Burrows are definitely worth the pick value wise, but will likely be gone and aren’t at positions of need. Jeudy and Lamb are both studs too.

*IF* all 3 tackles are gone and you think 10 is too rich for Becton, do the nerd thing and trade down and grab either Becton a bit later or a DL.

[pnies20]

2 hours ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said:

If all 3 tackles are gone, someone else is going to be there.

And Becton could be the guy too.

Young, Simmons, Thomas, Wirfs, Wills.  That’s 5 guys I’d be very happy with at 10.

Okudah, Brown and Burrows are definitely worth the pick value wise, but will likely be gone and aren’t at positions of need. Jeudy and Lamb are both studs too.

*IF* all 3 tackles are gone and you think 10 is too rich for Becton, do the nerd thing and trade down and grab either Becton a bit later or a DL.

I like it .

[brownie man]

Yeah thinking about it I’d take Epenesa or Simmons. 
 

gotta take pro bowl level talent when it’s there. It’s a deep tackle class we can still trade 2 3rds to move into the second if needed 

[pnies20]

8 minutes ago, brownie man said:

Yeah thinking about it I’d take Epenesa or Simmons. 
 

gotta take pro bowl level talent when it’s there. It’s a deep tackle class we can still trade 2 3rds to move into the second if needed 

Nowhere near sold either of those is a pro bowl level talent

[BleedTheClock]

1. Derrick Brown

2. Andrew Thomas

3. Tristin Wirfs

4. Jedrick Wills

5. Trade Down

 

Thats my realistic wish list. 

[NudeTayne]

3 hours ago, BleedTheClock said:

1. Derrick Brown

2. Andrew Thomas

3. Tristin Wirfs

4. Jedrick Wills

5. Trade Down

 

Thats my realistic wish list. 

There's just no way we can take Derrick Brown over our pick of all available o-linemen unless we believe there are literally zero blue chip offensive linemen--not understanding your rationale otherwise. DT is generally drafted less aggressively than OT as well.

Unless you think these guys are all Brandon Scherf/Duane Brown (solid players but not stars at their positions) types and not Quentin Nelson/Tyron Smiths and that Derrick Brown is Suh...? We have a serious need on the offensive line and not fixing it ASAP could ruin us this coming season.

[Kiwibrown]

We need to spend more years with two picks in the 1st or second round than we dont. 

Trade back if the 1-2 players we want arent there. Of we drop to 20 we get another 1st and change, id do that 

[BleedTheClock]

1 hour ago, NudeTayne said:

There's just no way we can take Derrick Brown over our pick of all available o-linemen unless we believe there are literally zero blue chip offensive linemen--not understanding your rationale otherwise. DT is generally drafted less aggressively than OT as well.

Unless you think these guys are all Brandon Scherf/Duane Brown (solid players but not stars at their positions) types and not Quentin Nelson/Tyron Smiths and that Derrick Brown is Suh...? We have a serious need on the offensive line and not fixing it ASAP could ruin us this coming season.

I think Derrick Brown is the next Suh. Suh-type of player. 

[candyman93]

I’m like Mehki Becton more and more. I like the Bryant McKinnie comparison for him.

 

He wouldn’t be a bad pickup if we traded down.

[NudeTayne]

3 hours ago, Kiwibrown said:

We need to spend more years with two picks in the 1st or second round than we dont. 

Trade back if the 1-2 players we want arent there. Of we drop to 20 we get another 1st and change, id do that 

Liking this idea as well. That said, maybe we are all just shaking in our britches over the potential of missing out on premier offensive line talent, but it seems very reasonable to at least accept the coin flip of a possibility that if we trade down to pick 20-25 in order to get another first-rounder that is many a 5-7 offensive linemen could be off the board, especially by pick 25.

It seems like every year a couple guys that we all thought would be second-rounders or even later end up going in the mid-to-late first, and that even includes centers. As several have said, offensive line seems to be a prime position that gets overdrafted, akin to pass rusher.

Some guys who would surprise very few if any/all of them went top-25:

[Thomas / Wirfs / Wills / Bekton / Biadasz] / Muti / Isaiah Wilson / Austin Jackson / Josh Jones / Lemieux / Kindley

That's 11 guys who could go high. Even Trey Adams for his length and prior promise could get overdrafted.

The question is who we have in what tiers and thus where is the most beneficial spot to trade back to, as well as who we are trading with. It's not worth trading back with a team that makes the playoffs every year, for example.

Heck, if we traded back to pick #34 so Indianapolis can grab a QB they secretly are enamored with, that could be a prime spot to get a volatile-value 2021 first round pick and maybe even get pick #74 as well, a perfect luxury spot to grab an elite WR or even another lineman.

Edited January 19, 2020 by NudeTayne

[pnies20]

5 hours ago, BleedTheClock said:

I think Derrick Brown is the next Suh. Suh-type of player. 

I said fletcher cox

inguess either one would be ok 😂

[Horseunit]

@NudeTayne I was just reading an article similar to the sentiment in your last post about the high probability of the Browns trading down and out of this draft in order to not be in salary cap hell and restocking with cheap rookie deals for 2021 and 2022. It's an interesting read https://dawgpounddaily.com/2020/01/18/cleveland-browns-will-punt-2020-nfl-draft/ I personally am not a huge fan of this concept but I can see some logic behind it.

[LETSGOBROWNIES]

54 minutes ago, Horseunit said:

@NudeTayne I was just reading an article similar to the sentiment in your last post about the high probability of the Browns trading down and out of this draft in order to not be in salary cap hell and restocking with cheap rookie deals for 2021 and 2022. It's an interesting read https://dawgpounddaily.com/2020/01/18/cleveland-browns-will-punt-2020-nfl-draft/ I personally am not a huge fan of this concept but I can see some logic behind it.

Y’all know I love this.

 

[Mind Character]

It would be a serious mistake to categorize the talented and powerful NFL prospect Derrick Brown as being at all similar to Ndamukong Suh and Fletcher Cox just because their all big powerful and talented DLineman.

Derrick Brown isn't anything close to the type of Defensive Tackle that Ndamukong Suh or Fletcher Cox were coming out of college in terms of style of play or play traits.

Cox and Suh were both up the field multiple moves strung together, twitchy, understanding of leverage players.

Suh played with length, keep defenders at length so they'll be easy to move left or right, numerous arm over, swims, one arm bull hump moves, push pulls, laterally agile, power player.

Cox was a long, spin move, counter spin move, hands technician who won off quickness, length, and relentless effort more so than power in college.

Derrick Brown is a 4-point stance Pure Power Playing Nose Tackle who goes to a stand up bull rush on Monday, then back to a stand up push bull rush on Tuesday, followed by another stand up bull rush on Wednesday, then stand up bull rush push on Thursday and Friday. On Saturday he does an insane explosive arm over move a few times before returning to the stand up bull rush on Sunday.

With Brown, it's all one note. A note that is some of the most insane raw unharnessed, technically sound, no leverage upright in his stance Power play you'll ever see. His power is insane, but all he knows to do is to run his legs and push standing up tall. Occasionally, he'll flash when he berserks out the starting blocks low on his way through an OLineman headed to the QB, but those are rare occasions.

Brown's a hold the point, push the pocket, two-gap defensive leverage player. he's not going to ever do the things Cox and Suh did AND THAT"S FINE. They couldn't be the effect 34-NT that Derrick Brown is going to be.  They would struggle to do what Brown naturally does well.

Derrick Brown is a truly special player, but he's not what people are making him out to be. If forced into a 43, he'll be utilized in ways that don't accentuate his play style and strength.

We can't take him at 10. He's talented enough where he'll be a productive player off the strength of just putting him on the field, but it would be a gross misuse of abiltiy.

Edited January 19, 2020 by Mind Character

[pnies20]

1 hour ago, Mind Character said:

It would be a serious mistake to categorize the talented and powerful NFL prospect Derrick Brown as being at all similar to Ndamukong Suh and Fletcher Cox just because their all big powerful and talented DLineman.

Derrick Brown isn't anything close to the type of Defensive Tackle that Ndamukong Suh or Fletcher Cox were coming out of college in terms of style of play or play traits.

Cox and Suh were both up the field multiple moves strung together, twitchy, understanding of leverage players.

Suh played with length, keep defenders at length so they'll be easy to move left or right, numerous arm over, swims, one arm bull hump moves, push pulls, laterally agile, power player.

Cox was a long, spin move, counter spin move, hands technician who won off quickness, length, and relentless effort more so than power in college.

Derrick Brown is a 4-point stance Pure Power Playing Nose Tackle who goes to a stand up bull rush on Monday, then back to a stand up push bull rush on Tuesday, followed by another stand up bull rush on Wednesday, then stand up bull rush push on Thursday and Friday. On Saturday he does an insane explosive arm over move a few times before returning to the stand up bull rush on Sunday.

With Brown, it's all one note. A note that is some of the most insane raw unharnessed, technically sound, no leverage upright in his stance Power play you'll ever see. His power is insane, but all he knows to do is to run his legs and push standing up tall. Occasionally, he'll flash when he berserks out the starting blocks low on his way through an OLineman headed to the QB, but those are rare occasions.

Brown's a hold the point, push the pocket, two-gap defensive leverage player. he's not going to ever do the things Cox and Suh did AND THAT"S FINE. They couldn't be the effect 34-NT that Derrick Brown is going to be.  They would struggle to do what Brown naturally does well.

Derrick Brown is a truly special player, but he's not what people are making him out to be. If forced into a 43, he'll be utilized in ways that don't accentuate his play style and strength.

We can't take him at 10. He's talented enough where he'll be a productive player off the strength of just putting him on the field, but it would be a gross misuse of abiltiy.

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