Bucketheadsdad Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 4 hours ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Yeah anything creative would be nice. You mean like consistently running shovel passes when the right side of our line is consistently getting blown up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, Bucketheadsdad said: You mean like consistently running shovel passes when the right side of our line is consistently getting blown up? I mean, name a play that works well when half the line is getting blown up? In that scenario the issue and limiting factor isn’t the play call. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NateDawg Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Y’all knocking Freddie’s creativity now until he busts out the 3rd down HB option pass again lol. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 19 minutes ago, NateDawg said: Y’all knocking Freddie’s creativity now until he busts out the 3rd down HB option pass again lol. Yeah I know he can be creative, he was more creative last season than any coordinator we’ve had since the return. Just not sure what changed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrpazzo Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 I think what changed is the responsibility of being head coach. Creativity takes mental space, time, relaxation and sleep. Head coaches have too many demands, especially first year head coaches who are implementing new systems. There is no structure to fall back on. Add to the fact that Freddy has not been calling plays for years and years, so he didn't have trusted tried and true system to fall back on that he could change up with a creative spark. I like Freddy as a person and really wanted him to succeed, but there was too much on his plate. Terry Pluto has been saying he does not delegate enough, again a mistake of many new to management. Can he make changes in the off season or his next coaching stop who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buno67 Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 Listening to the radio today and the guy on made a great point. The browns made the wrong hires at the wrong time. freddie would have made the perfect coach for a tanking team cause there would be no expectations and it could have given Freddie room to grow and develop. Hue should have been a coach for a team with expectations. He was the vet kind of coach this team needed. The tank ruined Hue and the expectations ruined freddie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceb Posted December 24, 2019 Share Posted December 24, 2019 4 hours ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: In that scenario the issue and limiting factor isn’t the play call. In that scenario it is a flat out stupid play call. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 6 hours ago, bruceb said: In that scenario it is a flat out stupid play call. Oh you think they know the defense ahead of time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeTayne Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Oh you think they know the defense ahead of time? We all knew what would happen if Freddie called that play at that moment, based on the team we have and how they have been 🤷. Freddie seems to have an "if it's broke, don't fix it" mentality. Source: Tayne has seen enough of Freddie wasting Baker's development. Edited December 25, 2019 by NudeTayne 110% certain even mwil would be raving about Baker if we had had strong coaching on offense/play calling this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 3 hours ago, NudeTayne said: We all knew what would happen if Freddie called that play at that moment, based on the team we have and how they have been 🤷. Freddie seems to have an "if it's broke, don't fix it" mentality. Source: Tayne has seen enough of Freddie wasting Baker's development. Per your edit, I hope you all are right and essentially spent all of 2018 and the entire 2019 offseason admitting I was wrong. After this season, I am turning on anyone who didn’t show up to play or coach. Baker deserves credit for last year and a good bit of blame for this year. Those who want to bury their heads in the sand and give him all the credit for last year and not blame him when he regressed and excuse him based upon coaching should re-evaluate why they have that stance. Turnovers, poor presnap reads, the inability to read a full field, slow getting through progressions, and poor pocket awareness show he wasn’t as far along as everyone thought he was. All this despite having arguably the best RB in the NFL and a pro bowl WR to go with a shiny new toy in OBJ. The fact that coaches and OL didn’t help are also on them big time. There’s plenty of blame to go around and I’m starting with Baker and Freddie and also blaming Dorsey for burying his head in the sand with our OL situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 17 hours ago, NateDawg said: Y’all knocking Freddie’s creativity now until he busts out the 3rd down HB option pass again lol. Out of the Wing T formation. True story Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LETSGOBROWNIES Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 1 hour ago, MWil23 said: Out of the Wing T formation. True story After coyly telling people he was gonna run the wing T the week before in the presser. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWil23 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 1 hour ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: After coyly telling people he was gonna run the wing T the week before in the presser. My thoughts running toss at a force defender/overhang -1 strength without a lead blocker/leaving him free: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NudeTayne Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, MWil23 said: Per your edit, I hope you all are right and essentially spent all of 2018 and the entire 2019 offseason admitting I was wrong. After this season, I am turning on anyone who didn’t show up to play or coach. Baker deserves credit for last year and a good bit of blame for this year. Those who want to bury their heads in the sand and give him all the credit for last year and not blame him when he regressed and excuse him based upon coaching should re-evaluate why they have that stance. Turnovers, poor presnap reads, the inability to read a full field, slow getting through progressions, and poor pocket awareness show he wasn’t as far along as everyone thought he was. All this despite having arguably the best RB in the NFL and a pro bowl WR to go with a shiny new toy in OBJ. The fact that coaches and OL didn’t help are also on them big time. There’s plenty of blame to go around and I’m starting with Baker and Freddie and also blaming Dorsey for burying his head in the sand with our OL situation. Edited December 25, 2019 by NudeTayne 😂 Merry Christmas, grumpy gus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceb Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 16 hours ago, LETSGOBROWNIES said: Oh you think they know the defense ahead of time? No, I know that "half the line is getting blown up" regular ly. Oh, and btw, I do not think they have a clue re the defense; on the other hand, I think the defense knows the offense ahead of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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