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5 hours ago, Tugboat said:

The idea of moving up from 20 for Jeudy is interesting.  I think by 15, Lamb is probably gone...and if it comes down to Ruggs vs Jeudy, i like Ruggs better.  But when we already have Chark...i could definitely see the reasoning for leaning toward Jeudy instead.  They're close enough, it could make sense.  I'm starting to get an impression with this draft, that it's only knee deep at the top.  There are some positions that have a lot of depth, and some shallow spots as usual...but it feels like there's a drop-off somewhere before the end of the 1st round.  Maybe a lot more "2nd round grade" type prospects than usual...with a weaker 1st round.

Kinda coming around more, to the idea of moving up from 20 if it isn't exorbitantly expensive.

Ruggs while he is a deep threat hes an all-around wr more so then jeudy according to the routes graphic i posted

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2 minutes ago, LinderFournette said:

Ruggs while he is a deep threat hes an all-around wr more so then jeudy according to the routes graphic i posted

I don't think it'd describe Ruggs as the more "all around WR".  But i like Ruggs more, for the sheer explosiveness he has.  He's not Tyreek Hill, but he's got at element of that to him that Jeudy just doesn't.  Jeudy isn't that Julio Jones style big imposing athletic freak that can do everything.  He's more...a good WR who can do a bit of everything decently.  Ruggs is more...explosive gamebreaker.  His short area change of direction is what starts to bring up the Tyreek comp for me, even if that's not fair overall.  It's that type of potential impact.

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i think brown can also play 1,3,5 techniques.   at that 5 it would be like putting red bryant out there tho.  

i just wish kinlaw had gotten some work out numbers. i think Kinlaw can be a moderately effective 1 technique cuz of his abilities to be a 2 gap guy. hes almost equally effective at both.   i think Kinlaw has the slight pass rush advantage tho from a tools stand point. 

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24 minutes ago, LinderFournette said:

i think brown can also play 1,3,5 techniques.   at that 5 it would be like putting red bryant out there tho.  

i just wish kinlaw had gotten some work out numbers. i think Kinlaw can be a moderately effective 1 technique cuz of his abilities to be a 2 gap guy. hes almost equally effective at both.   i think Kinlaw has the slight pass rush advantage tho from a tools stand point. 

I kinda feel like these are almost flipped.

 

To me...Brown is a 3T who can fill some heavier roles in sub packages that eat up a lot of snaps.  But he's not as consistently disruptive as i'd want to see.  Feels like too much of his real pressure comes from twists, stunts, delays...which is not what i want in a premium interior DL rusher.

 

But Kinlaw is like...i could almost see him at a 5T who spends most of his time inside as a penetrating disruptive 3T.  He just needs to learn to rein in some of the natural aggressiveness a bit.  Kinda like Ed Oliver last year, but with actual length to work with.

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1 hour ago, Tugboat said:

I kinda feel like these are almost flipped.

 

To me...Brown is a 3T who can fill some heavier roles in sub packages that eat up a lot of snaps.  But he's not as consistently disruptive as i'd want to see.  Feels like too much of his real pressure comes from twists, stunts, delays...which is not what i want in a premium interior DL rusher.

 

But Kinlaw is like...i could almost see him at a 5T who spends most of his time inside as a penetrating disruptive 3T.  He just needs to learn to rein in some of the natural aggressiveness a bit.  Kinda like Ed Oliver last year, but with actual length to work with.

Kinlaw was compared to Michael Brockers(NFL.com) and the other as Leonard Williams, Marcus Stroud(both from Draftnetwork.

Brown was compared to Kris Jenkins(NFL.com) and Suh and Dareus(both on draftnetwork.

Both are definitely good prospects but Browns got a lil more potential and seemingly destroyed anyone when single blocked. 

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This is my wish list mock draft through the simulator if Caldwell drafts his draft anything like this we may in business def in 2021. This was a draft that I did helping Minshew in mind. Although I was tempted to draft Jordan Love number 42. But this I think gives Minshew no excuses for 2020. Every pick was used no trades I just let the draft come to me so to speak.


Round 1 Pick 9: CeeDee Lamb, WR, OU (Giving Minshew every opportunity to succeed I’m not as high as some others are on the Oline prospects I’m going to go after a player I think can make immediate impact insert Lamb.)

Round 1 Pick 20: Javon Kinlaw, IDL, SC (Didn’t want to take him top 10 because I don’t feel he’s a top 10 player but I’ll gladly take him at 20.)

Round 2 Pick 42: Ross Blacklock, IDL, TCU (Kinlaw + Blacklock possible gives you Stoud and Henderson 2.0 I plan on bringing hell to every interior Oline all season long. Paired with Allen for the next 3 yrs at least good luck.)

Round 3 Pick 73: Bryce Hall, CB, UVA (Big corner fits man press zone Wash likes to run.)

Round 4 Pick 116: Thaddeus Moss, TE, LSU (Strong TE talent boosts the room who knows maybe we get Randy in camp to work with Chark and Lamb just being facetious don’t mind me.)

Round 4 Pick 137: Lynn Bowden, WR, Kentucky (Really was checking for Gibson from Memphis as a weapon for Minshew but Bowden is just as shifty just not as big as Gibson mocked him to the Jags before the combine as a 7th round pick after the Combine he has shot up boards special teams specialist as well)


Round 4 Pick 140: Soloman Kindley, G, Georgia (Depth at guard with potential to start)

Round 5 Pick 170: Lamar Jackson, CB, Nebraska (Man press corner big rangy decent speed fits what the Jags do on defense)

Round 6 Pick 189: Francis Bernard , LB, Utah (Had some off the field trouble dui was originally at BYU bounced back very smart instinctive football player would be good developmental piece that could end up starting in 3 yrs.)

Round 6 Pick 206:  Darius Anderson, RB, TCU (a back that can become a terror in the open field potential developmental offensive weapon)

Round 7 Pick 223: Reggie Robinson II, CB, Tulsa (Long corner 6’1 190 developmental prospect that fits what the Jags like to do. Has 4.4 speed needs to be coached up.)

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13 minutes ago, DuvalsKing said:

This is my wish list mock draft through the simulator if Caldwell drafts his draft anything like this we may in business def in 2021. This was a draft that I did helping Minshew in mind. Although I was tempted to draft Jordan Love number 42. But this I think gives Minshew no excuses for 2020. Every pick was used no trades I just let the draft come to me so to speak.


Round 1 Pick 9: CeeDee Lamb, WR, OU (Giving Minshew every opponent to succeed I’m not as high as some others are on the Oline prospects I’m going to go after a player I think can make immediate impact insert Lamb.)

Round 1 Pick 20: Javon Kinlaw, IDL, SC (Didn’t want to take him top 10 because I don’t feel he’s a top 10 player but I’ll gladly take him at 20.)

Round 2 Pick 42: Ross Blacklock, IDL, TCU (Kinlaw + Blacklock possible gives you Stoud and Henderson 2.0 I plan on bringing hell to every interior Oline all season long. Paired with Allen for the next 3 yrs at least good luck.)

Round 3 Pick 73: Bryce Hall, CB, UVA (Big corner fits man press zone Wash likes to run)

Round 4 Pick 116: Thaddeus Moss, TE, LSU (Strong TE talent boosts the room who knows maybe we get Randy in camp to work with Chark and Lamb just being facetious don’t mind me)

Round 4 Pick 137: Lynn Bowden, WR, Kentucky (Really was checking for Gibson from Memphis as a weapon for Minshew but Bowden is just as shifty just not as big as Gibson mocked him to the Jags before the combine as a 7th round pick after the Combine he has shot up boards special teams specialist as well)


Round 4 Pick 140: Soloman Kindley, G, Georgia College (Depth at guard with potential to start)

Round 5 Pick 170: Lamar Jackson, CB, Nebraska (Man press corner big rangy decent speed fits what the Jags do on defense)

Round 6 Pick 189: Francis Bernard , LB, Utah (Had some off the field trouble dui was originally at BYU bounced back very smart instinctive football player would be good developmental piece that could end up starting in 3 yrs.)

Round 6 Pick 206:  Darius Anderson, RB, TCU (a back that can become a terror in the open field potential developmental offensive weapon)

Round 7 Pick 223: Reggie Robinson II, CB, Tulsa (Long corner 6’1 190 developmental prospect that fits what the Jags like to do. Has 4.4 speed needs to be coached up.)

This looks pretty good.  Not sure about double-dipping at WR.  Feel like if we added Lamb, we'd have that piece at the top of the depth chart that pushes everyone else down to where they belong.  With some decent enough depth.

Otherwise, i really like where this goes...in the earlier rounds particularly.

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On 31/03/2020 at 12:25 PM, LinderFournette said:

Kinlaw was compared to Michael Brockers(NFL.com) and the other as Leonard Williams, Marcus Stroud(both from Draftnetwork.

Brown was compared to Kris Jenkins(NFL.com) and Suh and Dareus(both on draftnetwork.

Both are definitely good prospects but Browns got a lil more potential and seemingly destroyed anyone when single blocked. 

Ehhh...comparisons aren't really the end-all-be-all of prospect evaluation.  I can see maybe Dareus out of Brown.  But i don't see anything like the sheer disruptiveness of Suh tbh.

 

Don't really see Brockers...or Stroud/Williams with for Kinlaw, personally.  To me, he's more of a wildman relentless and kinda out of control disruptive penetrator if he hits his potential upside.  Which to me, feels higher than Brown if he gets there.  It's just...the lower floor to what Kinlaw is right now.  Whereas Brown feels like a "safer" guy to at least be a player.  His upside feels lower to me, in today's game.

You can get guys like Dareus for peanuts...as we demonstrated, in getting Dareus from the Bills for basically nothing.  Obviously extenuating circumstances there with attitude issues at the time, but that kind of thing is out there.  Those guys change hands a fair bit.

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37 minutes ago, Tugboat said:

Ehhh...comparisons aren't really the end-all-be-all of prospect evaluation.  I can see maybe Dareus out of Brown.  But i don't see anything like the sheer disruptiveness of Suh tbh.

 

Don't really see Brockers...or Stroud/Williams with for Kinlaw, personally.  To me, he's more of a wildman relentless and kinda out of control disruptive penetrator if he hits his potential upside.  Which to me, feels higher than Brown if he gets there.  It's just...the lower floor to what Kinlaw is right now.  Whereas Brown feels like a "safer" guy to at least be a player.  His upside feels lower to me, in today's game.

You can get guys like Dareus for peanuts...as we demonstrated, in getting Dareus from the Bills for basically nothing.  Obviously extenuating circumstances there with attitude issues at the time, but that kind of thing is out there.  Those guys change hands a fair bit.

Kinlaws explosion/first step with his size/length is scary.

His upside is definitely higher than Brown. I prefer Brown due to floor, but I also see don't see Kinlaws floor as that low either. Just see Brown as a lock to be a damn good player truthfully.

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2 hours ago, Tugboat said:

This looks pretty good.  Not sure about double-dipping at WR.  Feel like if we added Lamb, we'd have that piece at the top of the depth chart that pushes everyone else down to where they belong.  With some decent enough depth.

Otherwise, i really like where this goes...in the earlier rounds particularly.

I was more BPA on the Bowden selection on doubling up on WR there was no intriguing OLs on the board where I picked him. Like I said I really wanted a back like Gibson that would have provided a hell of a change of pace back to Fournette. Gibson is also a threat to catch the ball out the back field and he can line up in the slot to cause mis matches.. + 4.3 speed.. to me he has the possibility to be Marshall Faulk type good.. but he was taken at 102 by Pittsburgh. Like I said I wanted to upgrade the offense with weapons Bowden brings some juice to the slot and he brings that shifty, speedy, home run threat that the Jags have been lacking. We have guys with long speed Chark and Westbrook but they don’t really do damage in space with a lot of bodies around leaving defenders with broken ankles in the open field. Bowden can provide that I think he can give us what Mecole Hardman gave KC his rookie season. I think with the talent at the top in Chark and Lamb being high bringing in a guy like Bowden allows him to develop slowly plus you still have Westbrook. You’re putting Westbrook and Cole on notice and your wide outs top to bottom has to be one of the strongest and youngest in the league.

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17 hours ago, Tugboat said:

Ehhh...comparisons aren't really the end-all-be-all of prospect evaluation.  I can see maybe Dareus out of Brown.  But i don't see anything like the sheer disruptiveness of Suh tbh.

 

Don't really see Brockers...or Stroud/Williams with for Kinlaw, personally.  To me, he's more of a wildman relentless and kinda out of control disruptive penetrator if he hits his potential upside.  Which to me, feels higher than Brown if he gets there.  It's just...the lower floor to what Kinlaw is right now.  Whereas Brown feels like a "safer" guy to at least be a player.  His upside feels lower to me, in today's game.

You can get guys like Dareus for peanuts...as we demonstrated, in getting Dareus from the Bills for basically nothing.  Obviously extenuating circumstances there with attitude issues at the time, but that kind of thing is out there.  Those guys change hands a fair bit.

Wasnt Dareus also REALLY expensive $ wise though? That definitely was a factor too. Derrick Brown is a much better pass rusher than people give him credit for if Dareus is his comparison

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1 hour ago, JaguarCrazy2832 said:

Wasnt Dareus also REALLY expensive $ wise though? That definitely was a factor too. Derrick Brown is a much better pass rusher than people give him credit for if Dareus is his comparison

Brown also has suh as well.

People forget young dareus was an all-around good DT. Sadly i think when he got his 2nd contract he got lazy

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2 hours ago, LinderFournette said:

Brown also has suh as well.

People forget young dareus was an all-around good DT. Sadly i think when he got his 2nd contract he got lazy

As many do it’s only a few who maintain great play from the start of the career to end. That’s why the time to win with your core is during their rookie deals. After they get paid it’s a toss up 🤷‍♂️.

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When i started this mock i was gonna more of put Minshew in a good position to suceeed.

9 Jeffrey Okudah, CB didn't expect him here but with okudah it lets our other cbs play to their correct level

20 Josh Jones, OT might be a little raw but should push cam Robinson. 

42 Marlon Davidson, IDL either big end or 3 tech and should cause some havoc

73 Joshua Uche, EDGE hes not a true edge guy due to his size but hes been productive.

116 Tyler Biadasz, IOL iol competition

137 Devin Duvernay, WR slot wr

140 Collin Johnson, WR wr depth. 

165 Colby Parkinson, TE te competition

170 Tanner Muse, S safety depth

189 Dalton Keene, TE pass catching h-back

206 Francis Bernard, LB lb depth

223 Trevis Gipson, EDGE edge depth

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4 minutes ago, LinderFournette said:

When i started this mock i was gonna more of put Minshew in a good position to suceeed.

9 Jeffrey Okudah, CB didn't expect him here but with okudah it lets our other cbs play to their correct level

20 Josh Jones, OT might be a little raw but should push cam Robinson. 

42 Marlon Davidson, IDL either big end or 3 tech and should cause some havoc

73 Joshua Uche, EDGE hes not a true edge guy due to his size but hes been productive.

116 Tyler Biadasz, IOL iol competition

137 Devin Duvernay, WR slot wr

140 Collin Johnson, WR wr depth. 

165 Colby Parkinson, TE te competition

170 Tanner Muse, S safety depth

189 Dalton Keene, TE pass catching h-back

206 Francis Bernard, LB lb depth

223 Trevis Gipson, EDGE edge depth

I love it but I also don't know that we can pass on a WR in a historic receiver draft with for the first 4 rounds damn near. Ideally you'd want one by round 3.

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