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The Gardner Minshew Thread: All Hail the Stache

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8 minutes ago, .Buzz said:

Still just a 2nd year QB, but I don't have much confidence when we put the game in Gardner's hands and he has to do it all.

That's usually an indication that the guy isn't "the guy"...

Yeah, there’s exceptions to be made for guys like Alex Smith or David Garrard where their efficiency numbers are just insanely good, and you can trust them to be facilitators within a structured offense. Those can work to at least bring stability to a franchise, even if they may not be title winner types. But if a guy isn’t highly efficient, and it doesn’t feel like he can win games when he’s asked to carry an offense, he’s probably not the guy. 

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7 minutes ago, pwny said:

Yeah, there’s exceptions to be made for guys like Alex Smith or David Garrard where their efficiency numbers are just insanely good, and you can trust them to be facilitators within a structured offense. Those can work to at least bring stability to a franchise, even if they may not be title winner types. But if a guy isn’t highly efficient, and it doesn’t feel like he can win games when he’s asked to carry an offense, he’s probably not the guy. 

I've tried to hitch my wagon to Minshew because even with his ups and downs this year, he's easily the best QB we've had since Garrard and we're desperate for even adequate QB play.

But with the way this season is shaping up, idk how you can't be on the QB train for one of the top guys (even taking Lawrence out of the equation). If we're in the top 8-10 (and it looks like top 5 is likely, we may win a game or two coming up but the second half schedule is rough to say the least), were going to be in range and this is the year we have all the capital to move up a spot or two if need be and not mortgage the future. If we're lucky enough to land a guy while sitting still, you have a ton of capital to build around him AND have a solid setup for a young QB (surely better than most come into) as is.

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7 minutes ago, .Buzz said:

I've tried to hitch my wagon to Minshew because even with his ups and downs this year, he's easily the best QB we've had since Garrard and we're desperate for adequate QB play even.

But with the way this season is shaping up, idk how you can't be on the QB train for one of the top guys (even taking Lawrence out of the equation). If we're in the top 8-10 (and it looks like top 5 is likely, we may win a game or two coming up but the second half schedule is rough to say the least), were going to be in range and this is the year we have all the capital to move up a spot or two if need be and still be in a good spot.

I certainly get all the reasons that someone would want to believe that he’s the guy; he’s highly charismatic with a larger than life persona that would actually be great for a small market team to have to get some national exposure, he has a great underdog story, he kinda embodies the *Florida man* gimmick that Jacksonville loves, and he’s shown glimpses of brilliance as a QB. And really, outside of random Chad Henne games, late in games in 2015, and the second half of 2017, we haven’t had anything resembling good QB play for almost a decade now. So I get it. 

But from what I’ve seen, and admittedly I have tried to see as little of this team as possible, he’s been a mediocre at best QB most of the time, who has had some spectacular plays that primarily have shown their faces when plays break down. And having the ability to extend plays and make things happen when things break down is huge, and it’d a big part of what makes guys like Russell Wilson and Aaron Rodgers future Hall of Famers, but those guys don’t play as poorly as Minshew seems to when inside of the structure, or when asked to make play after play after play in succession because the offense needs them to give a spark.

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