G08 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 26 minutes ago, abstract_thought said: Realistically the Bears' window as currently constructed will last maybe 2 years into any extension they give MT. After that the talent around him won't be good enough to contend. This could extend if MT reaches elite status, but the odds of that seem extremely limited from what we've seen so far. He's more of a guy you win with, not a guy you win because of. Again, 16 games total played in this system. He's said himself he's a reps guy... I don't know if he's the brightest bulb in the box but I have respect for any human being that knows what it takes for them to succeed. Mahomes has ridiculous photographic memory from what I've learned, I'm not so sure Trubisky has that -- which is fine -- but it just means he's on a different path than Mahomes. If you ask me... you have an elite defense and weapons all over on offense. Focus on running the ball and building off that while allowing the kid to work though the intricacies of this offense. It was one game... if he's consistently playing like this around week 10, I'll freak out like everyone else. Until then? I'm cheering on the kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 16 minutes ago, beardown3231 said: Roethlisberger was pretty average to bad for his first 3 years Allow me to list the number of QBs who were average-to-bad, statistically, their first two years in the league: Drew Brees Peyton Manning Brett Favre Tom Brady Ben Roethlisberger Eli Manning Philip Rivers John Elway Warren Moon Matt Ryan Carson Palmer Drew Bledsoe Matthew Stafford Joe Flacco Donovan McNabb Matt Hasselbeck Jim Kelly Jay Cutler Troy Aikman Cam Newton Andy Dalton Andrew Luck Derek Carr etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G08 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 * I see numerous Hall of Fame QBs on that list -- and please, spare me about the "that was a different era" nonsense. QB play is QB play. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 (edited) Yea, we can only hope Mitch is on a similar development path as Andy Dalton, Joe Flacco, and Cam Newton. Many of the names on that list don't even belong. Guys like Rivers, Luck, Roethlisberger, and Manning were excellent very early in their careers. Edited September 14, 2019 by abstract_thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 14 minutes ago, abstract_thought said: Yea, we can only hope Mitch is on a similar development path as Andy Dalton, Joe Flacco, and Cam Newton. Many of the names on that list don't even belong. Guys like Rivers, Luck, Roethlisberger, and Manning were excellent very early in their careers. Neither Rivers, Roethlisberger or Manning were "excellent very early" in their careers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 9 minutes ago, beardown3231 said: Neither Rivers, Roethlisberger or Manning were "excellent very early" in their careers. Rivers was closest, but I agree, not "excellent", by any stretch... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigsooie5 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 3 hours ago, G08 said: How much time would you say we have? If your QB of the next 15-18 years hasn’t shown any progression through the end of year 3 that’s it. MAYBE year 4 if you have a legit vet backup or a young guy putting pressure. I feel like Mitch would cave though. Give me Steven Montez with one of our 2nds and let’s see what happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, pigsooie5 said: If your QB of the next 15-18 years hasn’t shown any progression through the end of year 3 that’s it. MAYBE year 4 if you have a legit vet backup or a young guy putting pressure. I feel like Mitch would cave though. Give me Steven Montez with one of our 2nds and let’s see what happens. I like Montez. I wouldn't mind Eason or Burrow in round 4 either Edited September 14, 2019 by beardown3231 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ty21 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 You guys are killing me with the alex smith talk lol. If Roquan goes down we should see what the Steelers will take for Shazier too lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 16 minutes ago, Tyty said: You guys are killing me with the alex smith talk lol. If Roquan goes down we should see what the Steelers will take for Shazier too lol Yeah because being paralyzed and not being paralyzed are close to the same thing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 1 hour ago, beardown3231 said: Neither Rivers, Roethlisberger or Manning were "excellent very early" in their careers. All 3 put up top 3 DVOA seasons by their 3rd years as starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heinz D. Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, pigsooie5 said: If your QB of the next 15-18 years hasn’t shown any progression through the end of year 3 that’s it. MAYBE year 4 if you have a legit vet backup or a young guy putting pressure. I feel like Mitch would cave though. Give me Steven Montez with one of our 2nds and let’s see what happens. If the entire Bears squad was still a work in progress, I'd disagree with that. By they aren't, so I do. If Mitch doesn't turn it around this year, that's it. It's simply too dangerous to go forward hoping he'll get it, and it makes the entire Mack trade pointless. There are lot of talented rookies available next year. Get one. Win the Super Bowl with a rookie for the first time. By the way...I don't think Trubisky will stink, and render this scenario necessary. But, Pace can't be patient if it DOES happen. 19 minutes ago, abstract_thought said: All 3 put up top 3 DVOA seasons by their 3rd years as starters. Edited September 14, 2019 by Heinz D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 19 minutes ago, abstract_thought said: All 3 put up top 3 DVOA seasons by their 3rd years as starters. Yeah "by their third year." That doesn't make all 3 seasons "excellent." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abstract_thought Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 41 minutes ago, beardown3231 said: Yeah "by their third year." That doesn't make all 3 seasons "excellent." My argument was never that they were excellent in each season. Rather that they showed a level of play and contribution to team success that we haven’t seen from MT yet. I want to be clear - I don’t believe MT’s fate as a Bear has been decided. This thread is a hypothetical. With that said, I don’t feel the progress we’ve seen from MT so far is enough to warrant an extension or any designation as the future of the Bears franchise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beardown3231 Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 1 minute ago, abstract_thought said: My argument was never that they were excellent in each season. Rather that they showed a level of play and contribution to team success that we haven’t seen from MT yet. I want to be clear - I don’t believe MT’s fate as a Bear has been decided. This thread is a hypothetical. With that said, I don’t feel the progress we’ve seen from MT so far is enough to warrant an extension or any designation as the future of the Bears franchise. Again I wouldn't say those 3 guys were "excellent very early" because by year 3 they were finally good. As for your last paragraph: that's fair and I don't think anyone would disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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