Are Rivera or Newton in trouble if Panthers miss the playoffs?

[SBLIII]

But according to Chris Simms. Cam is a top 10 QB lol

[Hunter2_1]

Will Grier for Rest of the Year!

All-in for Just-in!

[Hunter2_1]

3 hours ago, AFlaccoSeagulls said:

Cam is lucky to have his MVP season because the rest of his career looks....oof

Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	Sk	Yds	NY/A	ANY/A	Sk%	4QC	GWD	AV
Career					124	123	68-54-1	2346	3929	59.7	28708	182	4.6	108	2.7	91	7.3	7.0	12.2	231.5	86.3		288	2179	6.29	6.00	6.8	15	17	1
2011*	22	CAR	QB	1	16	16	6-10-0	310	517	60.0	4051	21	4.1	17	3.3	91	7.8	7.2	13.1	253.2	84.5	58.1	35	260	6.87	6.24	6.3	1	1	19
2012	23	CAR	QB	1	16	16	7-9-0	280	485	57.7	3869	19	3.9	12	2.5	82	8.0	7.6	13.8	241.8	86.2	58.3	36	244	6.96	6.65	6.9	1	1	16
2013*	24	CAR	QB	1	16	16	12-4-0	292	473	61.7	3379	24	5.1	13	2.7	79	7.1	6.9	11.6	211.2	88.8	64.3	43	336	5.90	5.69	8.3	4	4	16
2014	25	CAR	QB	1	14	14	5-8-1	262	448	58.5	3127	18	4.0	12	2.7	51	7.0	6.6	11.9	223.4	82.1	57.3	38	300	5.82	5.45	7.8	3	2	12
2015*+	26	CAR	QB	1	16	16	15-1-0	296	495	59.8	3837	35	7.1	10	2.0	74	7.8	8.3	13.0	239.8	99.4	67.0	33	284	6.73	7.20	6.3	3	4	20
2016	27	CAR	QB	1	15	14	6-8-0	270	510	52.9	3509	19	3.7	14	2.7	88	6.9	6.4	13.0	233.9	75.8	48.0	36	277	5.92	5.46	6.6			11
2017	28	CAR	QB	1	16	16	11-5-0	291	492	59.1	3302	22	4.5	16	3.3	64	6.7	6.1	11.3	206.4	80.7	53.3	35	242	5.81	5.28	6.6	1	3	15
2018	29	CAR	QB	1	14	14	6-8-0	320	471	67.9	3395	24	5.1	13	2.8	82	7.2	7.0	10.6	242.5	94.2	57.4	29	213	6.36	6.15	5.8	2	2	13
2019	30	CAR	QB	1	1	1	0-1-0	25	38	65.8	239	0	0.0	1	2.6	17	6.3	5.1	9.6	239.0	72.1		3	23	5.27	4.17	7.3

That's what statisticians call "an outlier".

Last season doesn't look toooo bad

[patriotsheatyan]

53 minutes ago, Hunter2_1 said:

Last season doesn't look toooo bad

It was good for 18th in rating and 19th in yards on a six win team. For a veteran QB, it’s not good if that’s one of his better years.

[candyman93]

Cam needed a guy like Bruce Arians.

 

Id look at Todd Monken and give Cam 1 more shot.

 

Rivera needs to go to Dallas next year.

Edited September 13, 2019 by candyman93

[TheKillerNacho]

Rivera, absolutely.

Cam, nah.

[SmittyBacall]

33 minutes ago, TheKillerNacho said:

Rivera, absolutely.

Cam, nah.

I feel the opposite. Newton looks like a shell of his former self. For someone who appears to have a pretty big ego it must be wearing on him the most.

[CP3MVP]

He’s a great dresser

[MikeT14]

1 hour ago, TheKillerNacho said:

Rivera, absolutely.

Cam, nah.

I like this take. I think Rivera is probably done based on how this season is looking. Cam will get another shot. 

[Art_Vandalay]

Imagine being an offensive player in that locker room coming off another bad loss and watching Cam once again dress up like a fruitcake for his press conference.

I think it's pretty clear Cam and his health is the problem. Ron should be fine, but who knows.

[CP3MVP]

On a serious note If they miss the playoffs Rivera will be gone. The new coach will get 2020 with cam and if they don’t turn it around will draft his guy in 2021

Edited September 13, 2019 by CP3MVP

[sammymvpknight]

As a Saints fan...I hope not

[iknowcool]

Newton either isn't healthy or isn't comfortable.  So yes, if nothing changes, he's probably finished.  And if he can't play, then I'm not really sure what the Panthers will do.  

Anyone acting like how Newton looked last night is how he's always looked is just being difficult.  But there is no point in trying to explain his past years numbers, although the proof is in the pudding with 2018: half of the year his arm was shot, but his QB rating was still the 2nd highest it has ever been because he played in a modern-ish system.  It certainly wasn't Newton's 2nd best overall season.  

Regardless, I think Newton probably is done unless things change quickly.  He doesn't even try to run anymore.

Rivera is 100% fired if we miss the playoffs.  Same with Hurney.  I think Rivera knows that too ie. his press conference last night.  I don't think we would cut Newton.  In fact I feel like it would take a lot for him not to be starting 2020 unless he retired.  But we'll probably need to draft someone by 2021.

Edited September 13, 2019 by iknowcool

[Hunter2_1]

6 minutes ago, iknowcool said:

Newton either isn't healthy or isn't comfortable.  So yes, if nothing changes, he's probably finished.  And if he can't play, then I'm not really sure what the Panthers will do.  

Anyone acting like how Newton looked last night is how he's always looked is just being difficult.  But there is no point in trying to explain his past years numbers, although the proof is in the pudding with 2018: half of the year his arm was shot, but his QB rating was still the 2nd highest it has ever been because he played in a modern-ish system.  It was far from Newton's 2nd best season.  

Regardless, I think Newton probably is done unless things change quickly.  He doesn't even try to run anymore.

Give it' McCaffery! He has one of the best friends a declining QB can have - a ridiculous weapon who can carry both the run game and pass game. How many touches did CMC have last night?

[iknowcool]

This sucks though.  Cam Newton is easily my favorite NFL player of all-time.  I didn't get to watch prime Vick play, so to me Newton is easily the most exciting QB I have seen.  And it sucks it might end this way, if it does.  I just wish people could appreciate his talents rather than it always being a "but his stats though" thing.  Not everyone has to be a top five QB.  Not everything has to be by the book.  He was a super fun player to watch play.

But maybe that is just me being defensive as a Panthers fan, I don't know.  It is just a crappy feeling though, to know easily your franchise's best QB and biggest superstar is on the backend of his career.