Nabbs4u Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 11 minutes ago, thebestever6 said: People want Schwartz gone sooo bad. What has he been given to work with on d honesty? People always complain he plays stick defense, he doesn't blitz. Look what happened in the Atlanta game when he did blitz. Damned if you do damned if you don't. What you really need is a Von Miller. The bolded is the only part I agree with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebestever6 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 8 minutes ago, Nabbs4u said: The bolded is the only part I agree with. Fair enough, I'm not saying Jim is the master of defense I just think people are forgetting what Juan Castillo was like. If Ron Rivera gets canned or a clear upgrade in the offseason comes available sure go for it. Otherwise, improve the defense through the draft. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwny Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 15 hours ago, thebestever6 said: Just because he's playing this week doesn't mean he's not going to get traded. This is absolutely true. He, for sure, can still be traded. But I think it’s important to also acknowledge that Khan has made it quite clear that he doesn’t want to trade Ramsey and instead would like to remedy this situation and make Jalen the highest paid CB in football. So I think it’s fair to believe that the meeting between the two was working toward that end. How far the needle moved is really where the concern comes. I doubt just a couple weeks and a few talks moved the likelihood of Jalen and the Jaguars splitting to 0%, but it may have moved it from 99% to 75% or something where continuing to repair the situation will have benefits. The saga isn’t over, but hopefully Shad is making some headway into repairing the situation not just between Jalen and the Jags, but the multiple other players that have an issue with the team’s management as well. We’ll have to see going forward. I still think he is going to end up traded (and I’m still not confident he plays again for the Jags) and the other disgruntled players will find themselves leaving as well, but we’ll see. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeJack_10 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 1 hour ago, pwny said: This is absolutely true. He, for sure, can still be traded. But I think it’s important to also acknowledge that Khan has made it quite clear that he doesn’t want to trade Ramsey and instead would like to remedy this situation and make Jalen the highest paid CB in football. So I think it’s fair to believe that the meeting between the two was working toward that end. How far the needle moved is really where the concern comes. I doubt just a couple weeks and a few talks moved the likelihood of Jalen and the Jaguars splitting to 0%, but it may have moved it from 99% to 75% or something where continuing to repair the situation will have benefits. The saga isn’t over, but hopefully Shad is making some headway into repairing the situation not just between Jalen and the Jags, but the multiple other players that have an issue with the team’s management as well. We’ll have to see going forward. I still think he is going to end up traded (and I’m still not confident he plays again for the Jags) and the other disgruntled players will find themselves leaving as well, but we’ll see. No. Ramsey needs to demand a trade to the Eagles. He DOES seem to have a lot of friends on our roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Buzz Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 From the sounds of it most of the players seemed a hell of a lot more over Jalen than the opposite. DJ Hayden spoke super sarcastically about how it's nice to see Jalen's face back at practice a couple days ago. Wash texted Yann after last Sunday to congratulate him in the two sacks and he said he was sick to his stomach about the loss still (who, if anyone was, would be someone who should be disgruntled about the team with his contract situation). Guy is all about the team and the franchise through and through and I can't wait til he gets paid. If Jalen gets moved I'm not too worried about the players getting upset given how they've handled it versus Jalen regardless of the pitfalls/mistakes the FO has made over the last few years as far as who to pay, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ_Eaglesfan Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 14 hours ago, thebestever6 said: Fair enough, I'm not saying Jim is the master of defense I just think people are forgetting what Juan Castillo was like. If Ron Rivera gets canned or a clear upgrade in the offseason comes available sure go for it. Otherwise, improve the defense through the draft. The biggest issue with Jim is that he won't acknowledge that he doesn't have the talent to run the scheme he wants to run. He is consistently putting slow corners in man to man situations vs some of the best WRs in the league and relying on a pass rush that was pretty mediocre until last week when they boosted their stats vs a terrible Jets team. He isn't a bad DC, he is probably above average when it comes to scheme and the Eagles have been a top 3 running defense since he got here, but it is so frustrating seeing our DBs be one on one vs Julio Jones, Davante Adams, and every other talented WR in the league when they just aren't good enough for the assignment. Basically all Eagles fans want is him to acknowledge that we don't have a great pass defense and adjust accordingly. If he did that, no one would complain. Edited October 11, 2019 by AZ_Eaglesfan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebestever6 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, AZ_Eaglesfan said: The biggest issue with Jim is that he won't acknowledge that he doesn't have the talent to run the scheme he wants to run. He is consistently putting slow corners in man to man situations vs some of the best WRs I feel like if you double the best wr you're leaving matchups open on the other side of the field. Do they have the personnel to do that at the moment? -They definitely don't have the pass rush - They definitely don't have the corners. - safeties Jenkins is a beast but he's aging. Hows McLeod off his injury? There's so many variables. 14 minutes ago, AZ_Eaglesfan said: Basically all Eagles fans want is him to acknowledge that we don't have a great pass defense and adjust accordingly. If he did that, no one would complain. Where does Howie fall into all this? It's his job to gauge the roster and bring in the talent so the scheme can be ran. -Either he sees they can make another run and pushes future chips to the center of the table. - or they hold future assets because the risk isn't worth the gamble and they fall short. That's the crux of the Eagles 2019 season. Edited October 11, 2019 by thebestever6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZ_Eaglesfan Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, thebestever6 said: I feel like if you double the best wr you're leaving matchups open on the other side of the field. Do they have the personnel to do that at the moment? -They definitely don't have the pass rush - They definitely don't have the corners. - safeties Jenkins is a beast but he's aging. Hows McLeod off his injury? There's so many variables. Where does Howie fall into all this? It's his job to gauge the roster and bring in the talent so the scheme can be ran. -Either he sees they can make another run and pushes future chips to the center of the table. - or they hold future assets because the risk isn't worth the gamble and they fall short. That's the crux of the Eagles 2019 season. The pass rush isn't terrible, its just not good. If the DBs could cover for 1-2 seconds longer on average the pass rush would look a lot better. The problem is though guys aren't just getting open, they are regularly running free behind our DBs. We don't even need regular bracket coverage, just give them a safety over the top at the very least. Our CBs are legit on an island game in and game out and they just can't get the job done like that. Our safeties have been pretty darn good this year in coverage. McLeod isn't great but he is solid in one on one situations and Jenkins is Jenkins. Most of us acknowledge Jim's job in the secondary is hard, but when we have had the same issues for three straight years it just feels like he is forcing his own way of doing things rather than adapting to what he has. We all acknowledge our ability to analyze talent the past 3-4 years has been pretty bad(It also doesn't help that the two CBs who were supposed to be fast just can't stay healthy in Jones and Darby). The only CB we have drafted who is worth anything at the moment is Rasul Douglas, and he is more of a specialist than a true every down CB. Howie is definitely at fault with that, but it has never been his strength. That is why we were praying for him to go get Ramsey cause he is perfect for our scheme, but it didn't work out. I don't think Howie will sit on this group unless he absolutely has to though, he will go get someone if there is a deal to be made. Edited October 11, 2019 by AZ_Eaglesfan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebestever6 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 2 minutes ago, AZ_Eaglesfan said: 1-2 seconds longer on average Everything you said I agree with but 2 seconds longer is an eternity in the NFL for guys to cover. Quarterbacks today release the ball within 3 seconds I'd like to see where the eagles team falls within that. Corners can cover longer or the pass rush can get home quicker. It's somewhere in between. I'm interested to see what Howie does because it's not going to be good enough atm. With the offensive line as is, still having fletcher cox. Howie has to make some moves so they're super intriguing to follow right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammymvpknight Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 I am looking forward to see Can’t Guard Mike vs Ramsey in person this Sunday. It better happen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
showtime Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 I haven't really kept up with what's happening, but is Ramsey missing games partly because he wants out? I just saw that he may not play this week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BayRaider Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 17 hours ago, thebestever6 said: People want Schwartz gone sooo bad. What has he been given to work with on d honesty? People always complain he plays stick defense, he doesn't blitz. Look what happened in the Atlanta game when he did blitz. Damned if you do damned if you don't. What you really need is a Von Miller. I wanted Jim Schwartz as HC of the Raiders before Gruden was hired. Any defense he touches becomes gold. Just give him the right personnel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebestever6 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, BayRaider said: I wanted Jim Schwartz as HC of the Raiders before Gruden was hired. Any defense he touches becomes gold. Just give him the right personnel. There's a reason the first 3 picks went to the offensive side of the football that goes beyond bpa. Is it the lack of developing players? - scheme, position coaches, draft misses or a combination of all 3. I think the moves the eagles make (or don't) from here until the deadline will tell us that story more clearly and how they produce in that scheme to be amplified. Edited October 11, 2019 by thebestever6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nabbs4u Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 Just now, thebestever6 said: There's a reason the first 3 picks went to the offensive side of the football that goes beyond bpa. Is it the lack of developing players? - scheme, position coaches, draft misses or a combination of all 3. I think the moves the eagles make from here until the deadline will tell us that story more clearly and how they produce in that scheme to be amplified. Disagree. You go into the season with the Assumption the following players are healthy which drastically changes this entire defense. Malik, Jerningan, Darby, Jones, Mills, Maddox, Le'blanc, Ostman. Just saying. That's 8 players needing to be replaced Defensively, that's not on Howie! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebestever6 Posted October 11, 2019 Share Posted October 11, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nabbs4u said: Malik, Jerningan, Darby, Jones, Mills, Maddox, Le'blanc, Ostman. Just saying. That's 8 players needing to be replaced Defensively, that's not on Howie! Malik I'm in agreement. Jerningan coming of injury restructured Darby- Coming off a significant injury Mills- coming off injury. Jones- injury prone/unproven Maddox- agree. Ostman, and Le'blanc I'm too ignorant to make a call one way or the other. I know Le'blanc is on the older side. Howie took a calculated risk it didn't pay off he has to make amends. It was a poor assumption if that's what we're calling it. That's the beauty of Howie Roseman no plan is set in stone and there is a plan B. The coaching staff in Philly is also brilliant at adapting over the course of a season. I'm not killing Jim Schwartz because he's good at tuning out the fanbase which isn't the norm around here. Edited October 11, 2019 by thebestever6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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