Broncofan Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) 1 12 minutes ago, thebestever6 said: It's not even that man. Okay I took some truth serum I'll admit I was out on Paxton Lynch the second I heard him speak/ bowling alley and compare himself to Cam Newton the homer in me was trying to justify it didn't see Cam at all when I watched him. It's the fact Elway got convinced after doing homework on Paxton, but wouldn't even do Homework on Lamar. How stubborn can you be? Or is he naive? Or just a quitter? To be fair, let's be honest - many fans thought Paxton was the bees knees for about 2 offseasons, willing to trust in Elway magic after SB50. They thought he'd challenge for the job year 1... then he was ready year 2 offseason....yourself included. You can't trumpet the good calls without acknowledging the bad ones. There's nothing wrong with it, no one's perfect, but let's play it straight it lol. I say that gladly acknowleding I was a Reuben Foster truther at 1.20 in 2017 (although it was also "anything but Bolles" - Foster plan A, and trade back / Ramczyk 1.28 plan B", to be clear on Draft Night & the GM game lol). Edited September 24, 2019 by Broncofan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Side note - someone should put up the GD thread for Week 4. @BullsandBroncos, @thebestever6 and I are out - someone step up! It doesn't need to be a big thing - just get a nice pic of Minshew Mania. LOL. (Seriously, @Counselor we may need to revisit our Forum unwritten rule that you post GD threads until you lose - otherwise we might need 13-14 different posters to step up this year lol). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebestever6 Posted September 24, 2019 Author Share Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Broncofan said: To be fair, let's be honest - many fans thought Paxton was the bees knees for about 2 offseasons, willing to trust in Elway magic after SB50. They thought he'd challenge for the job year 1... then he was ready year 2 offseason....yourself included. You can't trumpet the good calls without acknowledging the bad ones. There's nothing wrong with it, no one's perfect, but let's play it straight it lol. I'll acknowledge that hand raised! And if Elway had said he's not done swinging and missing after selecting a Lamar Jackson that would of been prophetic to me. Now, he sounds senile tbh. -Do your homework no matter what and be unafraid to cut bait should of been learning lessons from the Osweiler, Lynch picks. - not let me cross guys off my big board without doing hw bc of past mistakes. Edited September 24, 2019 by thebestever6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Belongs in next week's GD thread, but appears that coaching staff realizes a more vertical game is needed. Love River's heart, but we need more speed in the corps, and might as well see if Brown has any 2020+ role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncosFan2010 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 Something extra infuriating is that everyone knew Shaq was just waiting to breakout if given starters snaps at EDGE. Instead we take a EDGE top 5 and let him walk the next year. The result? Kid has 8 sacks so far this season. That will regress, but he seems to be a legit starting talent. For like a couple million bucks, and still only 26-27. We clearly should have simply kept the hometown kid, drafted a QB and went on our way. We do have dinosaurs running this ship. The NFL has changed and we are still trying to ground and pound and run I formations w/ a QB that has the athleticism of a MNF announcer. Its a mobile QB's league, or at the very least a league where air raid and spread offenses are now necessary, not even accepted or playable, but literally necessary, to win lots of games. You get a mobile QB and you don't have to invest as much in the OL, you get more creative options on offense and you are much more likely to gain yards on broken plays. Many fans have been preaching this idea of building from the bottom up for years now, but that's not how it works anymore. You get the QB and you go from there. That's all there is to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 4 minutes ago, BroncosFan2010 said: Something extra infuriating is that everyone knew Shaq was just waiting to breakout if given starters snaps at EDGE. Instead we take a EDGE top 5 and let him walk the next year. The result? Kid has 8 sacks so far this season. That will regress, but he seems to be a legit starting talent. For like a couple million bucks, and still only 26-27. We clearly should have simply kept the hometown kid, drafted a QB and went on our way. We do have dinosaurs running this ship. The NFL has changed and we are still trying to ground and pound and run I formations w/ a QB that has the athleticism of a MNF announcer. Its a mobile QB's league, or at the very least a league where air raid and spread offenses are now necessary, not even accepted or playable, but literally necessary, to win lots of games. You get a mobile QB and you don't have to invest as much in the OL, you get more creative options on offense and you are much more likely to gain yards on broken plays. Many fans have been preaching this idea of building from the bottom up for years now, but that's not how it works anymore. You get the QB and you go from there. That's all there is to it. Obv I agree with 2017's class. But I feel like I have to point out the flip side to getting it wrong with Rd1 - forcing the Lynch pick was hated by both you & I (and several others), and the spectre of a 1.10 pick on Lock was terrifying. So there is a flip side to forcing a pick out of need/desperation for a guy who's not a true franchise talent. The diff for me is that 2020 clearly has guys at our spot that I believe will make the grade, and we won't have to spend extra capital to get. So it really boils down to whether Lock is a franchise QB or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iLikeDefense Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 54 minutes ago, Broncofan said: OK, to be fair there were 3 of you. But @champ11 was the flag bearer, and planted it. You & @iLikeDefense all followed along. Happy? Naw, @champ11 is just a biter. He ain’t about that nugget life either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebestever6 Posted September 24, 2019 Author Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 hour ago, BroncosFan2010 said: Many fans have been preaching this idea of building from the bottom up for years now, but that's not how it works anymore. You need assets to get assets . When Ware left, Manning, Malik Jackson our assets were worth a ton (Miller), Harris, Talib, and the team wasn't there without the qb. -That was the time with Barrett waiting in the wings to unload assets, or sell future assets to contend for the now Stafford. The idea of ground up building in todays NFL is being able to control drafts with your pick volume, and worth. That's ground up building. I do think we are passed that phase at this point so I'd start prioritizing positional value if it's there. Future assets are always nice though if your window isn't open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champ11 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 hour ago, Broncofan said: Obv I agree with 2017's class. But I feel like I have to point out the flip side to getting it wrong with Rd1 - forcing the Lynch pick was hated by both you & I (and several others), and the spectre of a 1.10 pick on Lock was terrifying. So there is a flip side to forcing a pick out of need/desperation for a guy who's not a true franchise talent. The diff for me is that 2020 clearly has guys at our spot that I believe will make the grade, and we won't have to spend extra capital to get. So it really boils down to whether Lock is a franchise QB or not. If the Broncos can take a guy like Tua they should do it even if Lock looks decent tbh 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champ11 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 hour ago, iLikeDefense said: Naw, @champ11 is just a biter. He ain’t about that nugget life either. lmaooo I feel like I was telling all my Broncos brain washed friends that the Nuggets were a much better organization 2 years ago and they were just dismissive.....oops!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broncofan Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 1 minute ago, champ11 said: If the Broncos can take a guy like Tua they should do it even if Lock looks decent tbh I don’t think we will be in that range. But yes if we are 1.1 then Lock better look AMAZING. I’m thinking more 2nd-3rd QB on the board lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebestever6 Posted September 24, 2019 Author Share Posted September 24, 2019 2 minutes ago, champ11 said: If the Broncos can take a guy like Tua they should do it even if Lock looks decent tbh There's no sign that says Lock isn't worth anything to other teams with 7 games of quality NFL film and 3 years of cheap control. Has to be considered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
champ11 Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 5 minutes ago, Broncofan said: I don’t think we will be in that range. But yes if we are 1.1 then Lock better look AMAZING. I’m thinking more 2nd-3rd QB on the board lol. Yeah I mean giving up a godfather package to get the top 1-2 QBs depending on how the order falls Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoBruin Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 On the strength of Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields alone, a year of Lock and re-evaluating in 2021 still makes the most sense for me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebestever6 Posted September 24, 2019 Author Share Posted September 24, 2019 (edited) 9 minutes ago, BroncoBruin said: On the strength of Trevor Lawrence and Justin Fields alone, a year of Lock and re-evaluating in 2021 still makes the most sense for me. If you have a winning lottery ticket in your hands for $500,000 is it worth risking to burn for a 2 in 32 chance of a $1 million ticket a year later? That's the discussion bc if you don't get that ticket you're gonna pay for it. You can get assets for 2021 still no guarantee that's going to be enough. Not like you can hide your hand from the league lol. Edited September 24, 2019 by thebestever6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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