Quarterback Rankings (final regular season 2019)

[Jakuvious]

9 hours ago, TENINCH said:

He didn't have 4 bad games? He had 2 again Green Bay and Chicago. In Green Bay the last pass was an uncalled DPI. Had it been call It would have wiped out the int. He still threw for 3 touchdowns against KC. We didn't need him to play at a high level against Atlanta and Oakland. Oakland was done by the 3rd quarter. Atlanta was done by halftime.

Jackson played 3 poorly for 3 weeks. Against KC, Cleveland and he almost lost to Pittsburgh. QB's job isn't to run the ball for TD's. It's a nice bonus but we've all seen running QB's outside of Steve Young have their careers cut short. Jackson unless he becomes a better passer could end up the same way.

Russell Wilson is the only one that has been fantastic and people are still putting Jackson in front of him.

I don't think Cousins deserves to be MVP but I think it's dumb to not include him in the conversation with Wilson and Jackson.

I said a few times, he had 4-5 games in which he was either bad, or did not represent anything you would call valuable. You said it yourself, you didn't need him to play at a high level against Atlanta or Oakland. You really didn't need him at all those two games. Not needing a player for two full games is a detriment when you're arguing for an award named most valuable player. Two games he was a detriment. Two games he was unnecessary. That's 4 games, even if I give you the KC game, where he was not valuable. That's too many to put him in the conversation. And if you, a Vikings fan, don't think he deserves MVP, than why on earth should he be in the conversation? He may even be third, I don't really know or care, but if that third is a CLEAR step below first and second, then it isn't in the conversation. There's a handful of guys that might have an argument for being the second best DT in the NFL. That doesn't mean they're in the argument for best overall with Donald because no one is freaking close. Cousins is not close to Jackson or Wilson so there is not point bringing him up.

And whether or not a QB's primary job is to rush for TDs is irrelevant, because that is still value that he contributes, making it relevant to the discussion of the award. If they threw Jackson at DB for a handful of snaps and he got two INTs returned for a TD, that wouldn't be his job as a QB, wouldn't be relevant discussing his passing ability, but that would be value offered and relevant to the MVP discussion. Same reason Watt's receiving TDs were a point of discussion when many argued him for MVP. Wasn't relevant to DPOTY or his pass rushing ability, but it's value.

And I'll say again, Jackson did not play poorly against KC. If you're going to say Cousins played well against us, Jackson did too, because he played a much better game, regardless of the number of passing TDs on the box score. Cousins got some gimme red zone passing TDs while the Ravens consistently ran it once they got in the red zone. The TD gap between the two against KC is purely a matter of play calling.

[SBLIII]

19 hours ago, Split the Sticks said:

Not so sure about that, SBLIII.

Brady has not been Brady lately, but he's a champion. He and BB will work on ways to improve by working Sanu/Harry/Watson into the offense, and who knows, maybe even Michel gets going with the LT coming back.

One year not long ago, the Pats got friggin' destroyed by Chiefs on MNF. Even *Patriot* fans were saying the Patriot Dynasty was over. Then they went on to win the SB. 

BB and Brady never throw in the towel, they retune and refine. 

Uh, I'm not saying the Patriots won't be competitive anymore. They can still beat anymore. I'm just saying that you likely won't see 40+ point outputs and runaway wins anymore.

[sammymvpknight]

20 hours ago, BaltimoreTerp said:

As a long time FF'er I honestly can't tell you all how incredible it is to see the 'LaDainian Tomlinson is overrated because he might get injured' meme come back to life as serious analysis.

In other news, Christian McCaffrey is overrated because it's not a RUNNING back's job to CATCH passes. I'm a very serious person. 

You are going to find people on this forum that would argue with you to hell and back on that take. Lol

[TENINCH]

11 hours ago, Jakuvious said:

I said a few times, he had 4-5 games in which he was either bad, or did not represent anything you would call valuable. You said it yourself, you didn't need him to play at a high level against Atlanta or Oakland. You really didn't need him at all those two games. Not needing a player for two full games is a detriment when you're arguing for an award named most valuable player. Two games he was a detriment. Two games he was unnecessary. That's 4 games, even if I give you the KC game, where he was not valuable. That's too many to put him in the conversation. And if you, a Vikings fan, don't think he deserves MVP, than why on earth should he be in the conversation? He may even be third, I don't really know or care, but if that third is a CLEAR step below first and second, then it isn't in the conversation. There's a handful of guys that might have an argument for being the second best DT in the NFL. That doesn't mean they're in the argument for best overall with Donald because no one is freaking close. Cousins is not close to Jackson or Wilson so there is not point bringing him up.

And whether or not a QB's primary job is to rush for TDs is irrelevant, because that is still value that he contributes, making it relevant to the discussion of the award. If they threw Jackson at DB for a handful of snaps and he got two INTs returned for a TD, that wouldn't be his job as a QB, wouldn't be relevant discussing his passing ability, but that would be value offered and relevant to the MVP discussion. Same reason Watt's receiving TDs were a point of discussion when many argued him for MVP. Wasn't relevant to DPOTY or his pass rushing ability, but it's value.

And I'll say again, Jackson did not play poorly against KC. If you're going to say Cousins played well against us, Jackson did too, because he played a much better game, regardless of the number of passing TDs on the box score. Cousins got some gimme red zone passing TDs while the Ravens consistently ran it once they got in the red zone. The TD gap between the two against KC is purely a matter of play calling.

I should have said I didn't expect him to win. There is an obvious bias against the guy on this forum. He's having a great season and his numbers as a passer only fall under Russell Wilson.

[Uncle Buck]

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[RandyMossIsBoss]

Passer Rating

	Player	Passer Rating
1	Ryan Tannehill	113.9
2	Kirk Cousins	111.9
3	Russell Wilson	111.1
4	Lamar Jackson	109.6
5	Patrick Mahomes	107.7
6	Matthew Stafford	106
7	Deshaun Watson	105.9
8	Drew Brees	104.4
9	Aaron Rodgers	102.4
10	Jimmy Garoppolo	101.2

 

Total QBR

	Player	Total QBR
1	Lamar Jackson	81.6
2	Patrick Mahomes	76.6
3	Dak Prescott	72.9
4	Russell Wilson	72.1
5	Deshaun Watson	71.9
6	Matthew Stafford	68.5
7	Carson Wentz	64.3
8	Ryan Fitzpatrick	64.1
9	Drew Brees	61
10	Kirk Cousins	60.5

 

PFF

	Player	PFF
1	Russell Wilson	91.1
2	Drew Brees	91.0
3	Lamar Jackson	90.1
4	Deshaun Watson	85.1
5	Kirk Cousins	84.6
6	Dak Prescott	84.4
7	Tom Brady	83.1
8	Ryan Tannehill	82.8
9	Aaron Rodgers	82.7
10	Matthew Stafford	82.4

 

DVOA

Player DVOA 1 Lamar Jackson 32.7% 2 Patrick Mahomes 32.2% 3 Dak Prescott 30.1% 4 Russell Wilson 29.5% 5 Matthew Stafford 28.3% 6 Kirk Cousins 23.4% 7 Deshaun Watson 22.8% 8 Ryan Tannehill 19.8% 9 Aaron Rodgers 18.7% 10 Derek Carr 17.8%

 

Adjusted Net Yards/Attempt

Player ANY/A 1 Ryan Tannehill 9.44 2 Patrick Mahomes 9.36 3 Kirk Cousins 9.25 4 Russell Wilson 9.18 5 Matthew Stafford 9.12 6 Lamar Jackson 8.72 7 Deshaun Watson 8.49 8 Dak Prescott 8.4 9 Aaron Rodgers 8.27 10 Jimmy Garoppolo 8.01

 

Bold indicates that players highest ranking among the 5 measurements. 

 

Aggregate of these 5 lists (if you were to hold each in equal regard)

	QB	PR	QBR	PFF	DVOA	ANY/A	Avg
1	Lamar Jackson	4	1	3	1	6	3.0	+4
2	Russell Wilson	3	4	1	4	4	3.2	-1
3	Patrick Mahomes	5	2	11	2	2	4.4	-1
4	Kirk Cousins	2	10	5	6	3	5.2	-1
5	Deshaun Watson	7	5	4	7	7	6.0	+3
6	Dak Prescott	11	3	6	3	8	6.2	-2
7	Matthew Stafford	6	6	10	5	5	6.4	-2
8	Ryan Tannehill	1	16	8	8	1	6.8	+3
9	Drew Brees	8	9	2	11	11	8.2	+1
10	Aaron Rodgers	9	14	9	9	9	10.0	-1
11	Jimmy Garoppolo	10	12	16	12	10	12.0
12	Derek Carr	12	13	13	10	12	12.0	-5
13	Carson Wentz	16	7	12	16	21	14.4
14	Tom Brady	19	17	7	14	19	15.2
15	Matt Ryan	14	15	20	17	17	16.6
16	Gardner Minshew	15	25	18	18	13	17.8
17	Philip Rivers	20	24	15	15	16	18.0
18	Jacoby Brissett	13	22	29	13	14	18.2
19	Kyler Murray	17	11	23	21	22	18.8
20	Ryan Fitzpatrick	28	8	14	19	28	19.4
21	Josh Allen	18	23	26	23	15	21.0
22	Jared Goff	23	27	19	20	18	21.4
23	Jameis Winston	27	18	21	25	20	22.2
24	Baker Mayfield	31	19	17	22	24	22.6
25	Joe Flacco	21	21	22	27	23	22.8
26	Sam Darnold	25	26	25	29	25	26.0
27	Daniel Jones	24	20	27	31	29	26.2
28	Andy Dalton	30	28	24	24	27	26.6
29	Mitchell Trubisky	22	29	28	26	30	27.0
30	Kyle Allen	26	30	30	30	26	28.4
31	Mason Rudolph	29	31	31	28	31	30.0

 

From what takes the least into account to what takes the most into account:

Passer Rating= completion %, Y/A, TD% and INT%

ANY/A= similar to passer rating but weighed differently + sacks and yards lost on sacks are added to the equation

DVOA= the outcome of every play is compared to the league average in that same situation, every box score factor possible is utilized. For QBs, DVOA does not include running, unlike QBR.

QBR= similar to DVOA, but with a touch of subjectivity that goes beyond box score (drops, bad plays that weren't fault of QB, etc.), and a clutch factor (more weight towards plays in situations deemed clutch)

PFF= every play is looked at and given a grade, the final grade is the cumulative score of every play normalized to a 0-100 scale

[SotanKing]

I think QBR penalizes YAC a lot more than other metrics

[RandyMossIsBoss]

Passer Rating

Player Passer Rating 1 Ryan Tannehill 117.5 2 Drew Brees 116.3 3 Lamar Jackson 113.3 4 Kirk Cousins 107.4 5 Russell Wilson 106.3 6 Matthew Stafford 106 7 Patrick Mahomes 105.3 8 Jimmy Garoppolo 102 9 Derek Carr 100.8 10 Dak Prescott 99.7

 

Total QBR

Player Total QBR 1 Lamar Jackson 81.7 2 Patrick Mahomes 76.4 3 Drew Brees 71.8 4 Dak Prescott 70.6 5 Matthew Stafford 70.2 6 Russell Wilson 69.8 7 Deshaun Watson 68.9 8 Ryan Fitzpatrick 66.6 9 Ryan Tannehill 62.5 10 Derek Carr 62.4

 

PFF

Player PFF 1 Ryan Tannehill 92.5 2 Drew Brees 91.2 3 Russell Wilson 91.2 4 Lamar Jackson 91.1 5 Kirk Cousins 84.3 6 Pat Mahomes 84.1 7 Matthew Stafford 82.4 8 Aaron Rodgers 81.2 9 Deshaun Watson 81.0 10 Dak Prescott 80.3

 

DVOA

	Player	DVOA
1	Drew Brees	40.1%
2	Lamar Jackson	35.3%
3	Pat Mahomes	30.0%
4	Matthew Stafford	28.8%
5	Ryan Tannehill	28.1%
6	Dak Prescott	27.2%
7	Russell Wilson	25.2%
8	Derek Carr	18.9%
9	Kirk Cousins	14.5%
10	Jimmy Garoppolo	11.2%

 

Adjusted Net Yards/Attempt

	Player	ANY/A
1	Ryan Tannehill	8.52
2	Patrick Mahomes	8.38
3	Drew Brees	8.33
4	Lamar Jackson	8.19
5	Matthew Stafford	8.15
6	Dak Prescott	7.84
7	Kirk Cousins	7.73
8	Russell Wilson	7.42
9	Derek Carr	7.25
10	Jimmy Garoppolo	7.22

 

 

 

Aggregate of these 5 lists (if you were to hold each in equal regard)

QB PR QBR PFF DVOA ANY/A Avg 1 Drew Brees 2 3 2 1 3 2.2 2 Lamar Jackson 3 1 4 2 4 2.8 3 Ryan Tannehill 1 9 1 5 1 3.4 4 Patrick Mahomes 7 2 6 3 2 4.0 5 Matthew Stafford 6 5 7 4 5 5.4 6 Russell Wilson 5 6 2 7 8 5.6 7 Dak Prescott 10 4 10 6 6 7.2 8 Kirk Cousins 4 13 5 9 7 7.6 9 Derek Carr 9 10 12 8 9 9.6 10 Deshaun Watson 11 7 9 11 12 10.0 11 Jimmy Garoppolo 8 12 13 10 10 10.6 12 Aaron Rodgers 12 20 8 12 11 12.6 13 Carson Wentz 13 11 16 20 16 15.2 14 Matt Ryan 14 14 15 13 20 15.2 15 Tom Brady 19 16 10 16 17 15.6 16 Philip Rivers 17 22 17 14 15 17.0 17 Ryan Fitzpatrick 23 8 14 19 22 17.2 18 Jared Goff 22 24 19 17 13 19.0 19 Gardner Minshew 15 27 20 22 14 19.6 20 Jacoby Brissett 18 21 29 15 21 20.8 21 Drew Lock 16 23 30 18 18 21.0 22 Kyler Murray 21 15 25 21 24 21.2 23 Jameis Winston 25 18 21 24 19 21.4 24 Daniel Jones 20 17 24 28 26 23.0 25 Baker Mayfield 30 19 18 23 27 23.4 26 Josh Allen 24 25 26 26 23 24.8 27 Sam Darnold 26 26 28 29 25 26.8 28 Andy Dalton 31 29 23 25 28 27.2 29 Mitchell Trubisky 27 28 27 27 29 27.6 30 Mason Rudolph 28 31 31 30 30 30.0 31 Dwayne Haskins 32 32 22 32 32 30.0 32 Kyle Allen 29 30 32 31 31 30.6

 

From what takes the least into account to what takes the most into account:

Passer Rating= completion %, Y/A, TD% and INT%

ANY/A= similar to passer rating but weighed differently + sacks and yards lost on sacks are added to the equation

DVOA= the outcome of every play is compared to the league average in that same situation, every box score factor possible is utilized. For QBs, DVOA does not include running, unlike QBR.

QBR= similar to DVOA, but with a touch of subjectivity that goes beyond box score (drops, bad plays that weren't fault of QB, etc.), and a clutch factor (more weight towards plays in situations deemed clutch)

PFF= every play is looked at and given a grade, the final grade is the cumulative score of every play normalized to a 0-100 scale