CP3MVP Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 0-3 start this year and unless a miraculous turnaround it’s going to be 4 straight seasons of no playoffs. How much does one Super Bowl championship buy you as a Gm? Jerry Reese for example won TWO titles and got fired a year after making the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Prince Posted September 27, 2019 Share Posted September 27, 2019 19 minutes ago, CP3MVP said: 0-3 start this year and unless a miraculous turnaround it’s going to be 4 straight seasons of no playoffs. How much does one Super Bowl championship buy you as a Gm? Jerry Reese for example won TWO titles and got fired a year after making the playoffs. Include the two he won as a player. Dude is a god in Denver. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malik Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 John Elway has been a key component to getting the Broncos to 7 Super Bowls in the past 35 years. He's going to have to be Raiders/Browns/Lions bad for like 10 years before they consider it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scoundrel Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 He should be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyDez Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 Who is going to tell him he’s fired? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patriotsheatyan Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 55 minutes ago, DirtyDez said: Who is going to tell him he’s fired? I’ll do it if the Broncos pay me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakuvious Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 He absolutely should be. He did some absolutely fantastic things in the 2011 and 2012 offseasons, and deserves substantial credit for it. Even 2014 was a pretty great free agent period, getting Ward, Ware, and Talib. But the superbowl win was mostly the culmination of a lot of those guys peaking and developing together at the same time. The track record since then isn't great. His free agent ventures since 2014 have not been nearly as productive. His draft record since 2012 has been abysmal, I would argue (and some of his more passable picks have moved on, even.) His evaluation of QBs have set the team back, and his unwillingness to recognize the team's current position is delaying their ability to recover. He took a very talent lacking roster in 2010 and completely transformed it in about 2 years. But on the flip side, he's let a very talent rich roster that he had built decay heavily in about the same timespan. If he had shown the willingness in one of the past offseasons or two to try to step back and start from scratch, I think you give him some leeway. But his unwillingness to accept and react to how much weaker the roster has gotten should put him on the hot seat, IMO. There's no reason whatsoever that roster should have Flacco on the payroll next year for as much as he is going to get, on roster or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebestever6 Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 If he actually is truly rebuilding I'd like to give him a couple years. I love the past offseason. I would like someone to help out to be groomed post Elway another voice in the room.I'd like him to become a seller soon and just see what Vic can do with the meat of the team. 1) Fant pick thumbs up think that will pay off. 2) Risner homerun 3) Lock - the value is there. Love the fact that he has an Eli Manning type B personality. I think that works with being coachable, and developing a guy on a rebuilding team. Rest of the picks minus Winfree I also liked can see core guys coming out of the draft. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaidersAreOne Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 He should be. He sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CP3MVP Posted September 28, 2019 Author Share Posted September 28, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Jakuvious said: He absolutely should be. He did some absolutely fantastic things in the 2011 and 2012 offseasons, and deserves substantial credit for it. Even 2014 was a pretty great free agent period, getting Ward, Ware, and Talib. But the superbowl win was mostly the culmination of a lot of those guys peaking and developing together at the same time. The track record since then isn't great. His free agent ventures since 2014 have not been nearly as productive. His draft record since 2012 has been abysmal, I would argue (and some of his more passable picks have moved on, even.) His evaluation of QBs have set the team back, and his unwillingness to recognize the team's current position is delaying their ability to recover. He took a very talent lacking roster in 2010 and completely transformed it in about 2 years. But on the flip side, he's let a very talent rich roster that he had built decay heavily in about the same timespan. If he had shown the willingness in one of the past offseasons or two to try to step back and start from scratch, I think you give him some leeway. But his unwillingness to accept and react to how much weaker the roster has gotten should put him on the hot seat, IMO. There's no reason whatsoever that roster should have Flacco on the payroll next year for as much as he is going to get, on roster or not. I mean his drafts as a whole have been terrible and it’s like he’s refusing to rebuild. I would’ve traded guys like sanders von and Chris Harris a year ago Edited September 28, 2019 by CP3MVP 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fresh Prince Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 He was lucky to have Peyton fall right in his lap. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeTheBallDeep Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 I think I posted about this a couple months ago but I live in Denver and Elway is mostly certainly on the hot seat with media and fans out here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BroncoSojia Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 I want him gone now, but the issue is that we don’t an owner in place that would fire him, which is a problem in it of itself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe_is_the_best Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 2 hours ago, Fresh Prince said: He was lucky to have Peyton fall right in his lap. I don’t really buy that argument since he won the SB with a corpse formerly known as Peyton Manning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeTheBallDeep Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 1 hour ago, BroncoSojia said: I want him gone now, but the issue is that we don’t an owner in place that would fire him, which is a problem in it of itself. That's a good point as well. John and the staff have started to finally hit on draft picks the past 2 years, sadly its probably too little too late Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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