Cheesehawk Posted October 7, 2019 Author Share Posted October 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, Jlowe22 said: No, because three of their opponents have zero wins. Plus two of these 5 wins are against teams that are competing for the title as one of the worst offenses of all time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apparition Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Cheesehawk said: Plus two of these 5 wins are against teams that are competing for the title as one of the worst offenses of all time. You mean like the 2000 Browns and Bengals teams that the Ravens shut out in weeks 3 and 4 of that season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incognito_man Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 Lol Another cake-walk to the AFCCG. They'll probably have to beat a team that would be 6-10 in the NFC for the divisional round. Must be nice to have to win one real game to get to the super bowl year after year... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apparition Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 My point being that you only ask a question like this if you only look at the stat sheet and don't actually watch the games. The Patriots are flat out smothering opponents this year. It's not just a matter of having some takeaways and playing 'bend but don't break.' Their opponents are averaging 18.1 yards per possession and are only converting 13% of their third downs - that's LESS THAN HALF of the lowest rate for any defense since the stat has been tracked. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatriotsWin! Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 24 minutes ago, Jlowe22 said: No, because three of their opponents have zero wins. They did the same to every opponent in the playoffs last year (outside of the 4th quarter in KC). Those teams had pretty good records, didn't matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChazStandard Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 3 minutes ago, Starless said: You mean like the 2000 Browns and Bengals teams that the Ravens shut out in weeks 3 and 4 of that season? Because of this post I just looked up the 2000 Ravens schedule, how crazy was the week 2 game against JAX? https://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200009100rav.htm 39-36 Ravens, with Tony Banks (!) throwing 5 TDs, including a game with with 40 seconds left. Jimmy Smith going 15-291-3(!!) against one of the greatest Ds of all time, that's insane. They didn't even have Fred Taylor playing. (Brunell, Taylor, Smith, MacCardell, Bosselli...How did that JAX team only go 7-9?) Coming to the NFL in 2006, feels like I missed a Golden Age. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jlowe22 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 1 minute ago, PatriotsWin! said: They did the same to every opponent in the playoffs last year (outside of the 4th quarter in KC). Those teams had pretty good records, didn't matter. The post was about whether the offenses were bad, or the Patriots just destroyed their numbers. They were clearly garbage opponents because they have zero wins. Bottom ranked offenses regardless of what the Pats did. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesehawk Posted October 7, 2019 Author Share Posted October 7, 2019 15 minutes ago, Starless said: You mean like the 2000 Browns and Bengals teams that the Ravens shut out in weeks 3 and 4 of that season? Thats not really relevant. Are you suggesting this Patriots defense that allowed more points to the Skins than the Giants did are historically great? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apparition Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Cheesehawk said: Thats not really relevant. Are you suggesting this Patriots defense that allowed more points to the Skins than the Giants did are historically great? I'm saying that if you insist on framing the discussion in terms of "who have they beaten?" like this then even historically-great defenses would be scoffed at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I <3 Faulk Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 2 hours ago, Nabbs4u said: Not really. Just the assumption going into the season. 3 pts, is 3pts! 3 points against a defense like that is a lot! Sincerely, A Rams fan 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheesehawk Posted October 7, 2019 Author Share Posted October 7, 2019 7 minutes ago, Starless said: I'm saying that if you insist on framing the discussion in terms of "who have they beaten?" like this then even historically-great defenses would be scoffed at. Great defenses get beat though. Look at that same Ravens team, even at the Jags game that @ChazStandard pointed out. The Patriots haven’t even played a team yet that has the talent to score against even average defenses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apparition Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 1 minute ago, Cheesehawk said: Great defenses get beat though. Look at that same Ravens team, even at the Jags game that @ChazStandard pointed out. The Patriots haven’t even played a team yet that has the talent to score against even average defenses. Why is the fact that they played a healthy Steelers team in week 1 and held them to 3 points being treated like it didn't happen? Or that the Bills are 4-1 and have one of the better running attacks in the league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Third Rider Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 (edited) At the end of the day people only remember what they've accomplished not whom they played. The 2000 ravens had on overall weak schedule too but they don't get discredited for it. I am biased being a Patriots' fan but this defense is definitely very different then what I have seen in years past. I think it started last year, they were a good unit that was overshadowed by Brady and the offense but played really well and their talent showed come playoff time, specially in the super bowl. I remember Van Noy went on TV and said he was surprised how much they were getting overlooked as a unit. This year they have taken a huge step forward, bring back Jamie Collins has been one the best additions any team has made all year. Edited October 8, 2019 by The Third Rider 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChazStandard Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 19 minutes ago, Starless said: Why is the fact that they played a healthy Steelers team in week 1 and held them to 3 points being treated like it didn't happen? Or that the Bills are 4-1 and have one of the better running attacks in the league? And, indeed, shutting down a great offense in the Superbowl. The Pats haven't allowed an offense to score more than 10 points since last January. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeotheLion Posted October 8, 2019 Share Posted October 8, 2019 1 hour ago, FinSting said: I had to go see the highlights. Bears had the lead in the 4th quarter, punted and pinned the Raiders on their own 3-yd line. Raiders proceeded to drive 97 yards for the go-ahead TD. It was also a drive kept alive with a fake punt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.